The refillable ones look so uncool though. I’d imagine that they’d much rather vape Lynx Africa through something that looks like a highlighter pen.
UK Government set to ban disposable vapes
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The refillable ones look so uncool though. I’d imagine that they’d much rather vape Lynx Africa through something that looks like a highlighter pen.
Soldato
lol @ the politicians objecting to it, blatantly on the take.
Half these vape shops are so obviously money laundering fronts it's hilarious that the tax man isn't stiffing them. One of them opened up in Putney about a year ago, I can count on one hand the amount of customers I've seen in it, but there are frequently rather shady looking cars with tinted windows parked out front with people walking in and out. Anyone with half a brain can see what's going on, yet there they are, doing their money laundering in clear daylight and not a thing is done about it.
Then again look at the american candy shops on Oxford street, if they can get away with it then anyone can.
Then again look at the american candy shops on Oxford street, if they can get away with it then anyone can.
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In your fantasy world in which all the smokers suddenly vanish this might be true; in the real world millions of smokers who wouldn't give up smoking without vaping have switched to vaping instead. That's a huge health benefit.
As for younger people, while I agree companies shouldn't be deliberately targetting children (which they 100% are), adults should be free to choose what they do with their life so long as they don't harm others - and whether you approve or not is irrelevant.
No, the parents would literally hand them a packet of fags.
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Seems far cheaper/more profitable from the manufacturers point of view to make a rechargable base for £10-12 and just sell the wick/coil/liquid in replaceable pods for £5 a pop.
Less waste, lower production cost, can charge a premium for the base, lower shipping costs.
Less waste, lower production cost, can charge a premium for the base, lower shipping costs.
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Soldato
It’s the same with some barbers. Some get about 5 customers a day.
Soldato
It’s the razor and blade strategy. Reduce the price of the base over time and keep prices of the pods at the same price
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Just don't try to make out that it's a "good" product in anyway. If vapes are to be used to help smokers quit, then ok, and it should have been done under medical supervision via prescription, with the intent that they would stop vaping as well.
What has happened is vapes have been cynically marketed as somehow "healthy" and have targeted kids, and these are a new generation of addicts who never smoked in the first place. Vaping is a pointless, addictive habit, a waste of time and money, and likely to be carcinogenic in the long term. There is nothing good about this product and people should rightly be protected from addictive products, especially young people.
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This would likely render them completely ineffective as an alternative. An obsession with complete cessation of nicotine consumption over the far bigger win of substituting (vastly) lower harm products like vapes for cigarettes is focusing on the wrong thing.
I agree that there has been a substantial amount of cynical marketing and targeting of kids around vaping; and this should be dealt with. The ban on disposable vapes is a good start. The degree of harm from vaping remains to be seen but what tiny amount of evidence there is so far suggests that it's relatively mild; certainly it lacks the acute harms of smoking. As for pointless, well, people are allowed to choose to do pointless things they enjoy.
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Oh, come on.
I smoked for nearly 40 years (started at 15). I switched to vaping within weeks of COVID lockdown, due to the links between smoking and increased COVID mortality. I haven't had a cigarette in 4 years.
If medical oversight had been needed, i would not have been able to make that decision, and likely waited some considerable time. This suggestion would add cost and load to an already stretched NHS.
I don't see vaping as healthy, but it is a lot less harmful than smoking. There is literally no evidence that it is similarly dangerous.
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I love my nicotine.
Disposables are a pollution waste though.
I'd like to see people and businesses prosecuted for supplying underaged kids with nicotine products, alcohol or anything else that's meant for adults.
We have laws, use them. Parents, they have to parent as well.
Disposables are a pollution waste though.
I'd like to see people and businesses prosecuted for supplying underaged kids with nicotine products, alcohol or anything else that's meant for adults.
We have laws, use them. Parents, they have to parent as well.
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But we would not have had the thousands of new vapers that never smoked in the first place.
Also, if we had an ideal health system, then smokers would be told about the various quit smoking products more proactively, so once this included vapes, you may have tried them even sooner. The important bit though would be a controlled plan to zero usage, as I expect you are still vaping and have not fully given up.
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"we are where we are"
We don't have an ideal health system, and a series of appointments to discuss strategy with smokers would be ruinously expensive. Vaping is probably the greatest health improvement programme in decades. And it was free.
Those other products have been available for decades, and i didn't use them.
Nearly every smoker i know has switched to vaping, with no advice or funding.
I vape, so what? I'm four years clean of smoking and happy with my decision.
Jeez, i swear if some people found a bag full of cash, they'd complain it was too heavy.
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The problem, in my experience, is that you can vape just about anywhere. Where smoking is an inconvenience, requiring you to go outside, you can just vape away in your house or your car, maybe in the pub, if you’re sneaky you can do it at work. It intensifies the whole addiction. Ok, no tar, but you end up inhaling a whole load of nicotine
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It’s the shops that put the vapes on display on the shop floor! Visited another supermarket (a competitor) and the vapes are at the end of an aisle in the middle of the health n beauty section.
As browsing - found the empty packaging etc tossed everywhere
As browsing - found the empty packaging etc tossed everywhere
Soldato
Nicotine's great. Improves concentration, reduces anxiety in people, relaxes people....
I think more people should have it, it may stop them being so ragey and judgemental all the time.
Or we could go the whole hog and cut out alcohol, caffeine or anything enjoyable...
But yeah, I don't understand the fruity brigade but all power to them if they're of legal age and that's what they want to do.
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I'm all for vaping but glad they're banning the disposables. Just total Chinese e-waste of plastic and batteries when a refillable vape is so easy to use. Even the cig-a-like vapes back in the early 2010s had detachable cartridges and a chargeable main body, disposables are a regression from the progress made since then. Not to mention them being freely visible in supermarkets when they know full well this will attract kids.
As for harm, they're probably somewhat harmful, like breathing anything but clean air tends to be - though as with smoking, it won't be the nicotine itself. But I would look at the bigger picture of the smoking cessation benefit, and consider the ubiquitousness of other somewhat harmful things like alcohol, red meat, processed food, not exercising etc before exploding in puritanical fury at their mere existence...unless one is straightedge, in which case fair enough
As for harm, they're probably somewhat harmful, like breathing anything but clean air tends to be - though as with smoking, it won't be the nicotine itself. But I would look at the bigger picture of the smoking cessation benefit, and consider the ubiquitousness of other somewhat harmful things like alcohol, red meat, processed food, not exercising etc before exploding in puritanical fury at their mere existence...unless one is straightedge, in which case fair enough