Poll: UK Gun Laws

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Should civilians have access to weapons?

  • Yes - Current law is fine, no changes needed

  • No - Only "Professional" users can be licensed

  • No - Remove all guns from Civilians

  • Yes - Current laws are too restrictive


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I think gun clubs should be the ones to store and keep safe all member's owned firearms. If gun clubs cannot afford to operate in terms of cost and/or space requirements to facilitate storage of all members guns, or cannot come up with a membership program which would help finance this, then gun clubs should close down and be gone with. Maybe people could rent more guns provided by the actual gun club rather than use their "own". I don't really care.

I don't have issues with farmers owning them for pest control if they are stored as they legally should be and are regularly subject to the checks we do in the UK. That's it though, farmers, who have regular reviews to show there is still a pest control requirement to own one. I can't think of anyone else that needs to own one on their own land.
 
Completely impractical in some farming circumstances, there are genuine times when a farmer needs far quicker access to a firearm than any professional service can provide. (Though technically a professional service same for some animal rescue type organisations who have firearms for humane reasons).
Not entirely, I'm sure there is a way it could work if enough resources are utilised.

Which would have to be free and bloody quick
Potentially.
 
I think gun clubs should be the ones to store and keep safe all member's owned firearms. If gun clubs cannot afford to operate in terms of cost and/or space requirements to facilitate storage of all members guns, or cannot come up with a membership program which would help finance this, then gun clubs should close down and be gone with. Maybe people could rent more guns provided by the actual gun club rather than use their "own". I don't really care.

I don't have issues with farmers owning them for pest control if they are stored as they legally should be and are regularly subject to the checks we do in the UK. That's it though, farmers, who have regular reviews to show there is still a pest control requirement to own one. I can't think of anyone else that needs to own one on their own land.

You do know how much some fire arms are worth?
 
There is no legislation as to the secure storage of shotgun cartridges, you can keep them on your mantlepiece if you want!

I dunno off the top of my head the laws in Scotland but reminds me of my dad's friend who used to have an estate/farm near Blairgowrie - vermin hunting rifle just stashed behind a sofa, shotgun cartridges on the side table, etc. TBH though his dogs were more of a danger than the firearms.
 
Unfortunately, I take that as you're unable to.

Very quick to dismiss, but when you put some thought to it you can see how it could be implemented. Only real issue is cost.
 
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Unfortunately, I take that as you're unable to.

Very quick to dismiss, but when you put some thought to it you can see how it could be implemented. Only real issue is cost.

You were the one coming out with posts like:

lolcityfolk

You'd have to be proper lolcityfolk to not understand the reasons. So I can't really take you seriously.
 
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I work with out of ours emergency contractors every night, they are not fast they will often be hours away from any site, they will always arrive and get the work done but its not a simple case of you make the call and they are there within the hour unless they are close by. They will often be attending all throughout the night to various places across their designated regions.

This wont work in a situation where you need immediate response on site with fire arms. Its too slow to deal with the sort of issues people have to deal with on farms and large conservation areas. Add in the additional requirement to be carrying firearms in a vehicle which will need to be designed to store them safely and it just wont work.
 
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Or you could deal with the rabbits on your land in a more suitable way to prevent reoccurrence.

What more humane way is there to kill them than shooting them with a rifle? Same goes for deer. Deer traps are horrible things which will leave an animal in agony until it chews its own leg off, dies of thirst, or is killed by whoever checks the traps (eventually).

But you can just buy some pretty powerful crossbows without any license requirement, deadly and silent.

I still can’t believe there’s no controls on crossbows tbh

Crossbows are regulated by the Crossbow Act 1987. To require a license for one would be rather ridiculous given that they are technology invented in Ancient China and Ancient Greece. I made one from scratch (firing steel pointed bolts with a range of over 100 metres) when I was a 13-year-old. Any adult could knock one up in their shed, it isn't rocket science! It is already illegal to have one in a public place. Besides, crossbows of >150lbs draw weight have a very slow rate-of-fire. A lot of the cheap ones are of the low-powered pistol grip type which look scary but are nothing like as dangerous as a FAC firearm.

A compound bow of the type you are referring too are WAY MORE dangerous if used for some sort of mass casualty event.
Look at what happened in Europe a year or two ago with that bloke running around with one.

The case you cite was incredibly rare. They don't have the rate-of-fire to be of much use to a spree-killer in a typical mass-shooting scenario and anyone using one for that purpose at long ranges would have to be extremely skilled/experienced with it. Also, these bows are large and so very difficult to conceal which makes them less useful to criminals/spree-killers.

Indeed and relatively cheap too, packs of carbon bolts are not expensive, some out there easily bed into brick etc, you wouldn't want to be on the wrong side when it goes off.

Something legal that is a lot cheaper, has a higher rate-of-fire and is far smaller and so easier to conceal is a high-powered lead ball bearing firing catapult. I had a childhood friend who made one which produced 60 ftlbs of power. (That is equivalent to a .22 short cartridge.)

Rather than looking for more things to ban, perhaps the answer is to address the crisis in this country's mental health service which means that in many areas psychotic people have to wait for over a year to see a psychiatrist!
 
Unfortunately, I take that as you're unable to.

Very quick to dismiss, but when you put some thought to it you can see how it could be implemented. Only real issue is cost.
Well for one, we’re not talking about a dodgy boiler or flat tyre, some farmers have to deal with injured animals in severe pain. They need euthanising very quickly. Waiting for a vet to come out just keeps the animal in needless suffering
 
I work with out of ours emergency contracts every night, they are not fast they will often be hours away from any site.

This wont work in a situation where you need immediate response on site with fire arms. Its too slow to deal with the sort of issues people have to deal with on farms and large conservation areas.

Don't spell it out, given their posting history they can't possibly be ignorant of the reasoning.
 
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