Poll: UK Gun Laws

[Allnamestaken]

Don't spell it out, given their posting history they can't possibly be ignorant of the reasoning.

True

 

[NVP]

I work with out of ours emergency contractors every night, they are not fast they will often be hours away from any site, they will always arrive and get the work done but its not a simple case of you make the call and they are there within the hour unless they are close by. They will often be attending all throughout the night to various places across their designated regions.

This wont work in a situation where you need immediate response on site with fire arms. Its too slow to deal with the sort of issues people have to deal with on farms and large conservation areas. Add in the additional requirement to be carrying firearms in a vehicle which will need to be designed to store them safely and it just wont work.

Different industries have different priorities and can all be managed in a useful way.

 

[Rroff]

crossbows of >150lbs draw weight have a very slow rate-of-fire.

Until someone on YT DIY's a full automatic, electronic assisted version capable of dozens of rounds per minute :s

 

[Rroff]

Different industries have different priorities and can all be managed in a useful way.

:facepalm: does the nature of rural areas also need spelling out to you?

EDIT: Please engage brain or stop trolling whichever it is.

 

[robfosters]

Different industries have different priorities and can all be managed in a useful way.

I never had you down as being this illogical and obtuse

 

[Allnamestaken]

Different industries have different priorities and can all be managed in a useful way.

I work with OOH(Out of ours) contractors from all industries, Infrastructure engineers (all the sub divisions that may include electricians and the like).
I also work with pest controllers/hunters etc and people who attend sights to deal with animals.

It is not that simple and your idea wont work based on the needs of said industries, it will be TOO SLOW.

 

[NVP]

:facepalm: does the nature of rural areas also need spelling out to you?

You're doing a lot of this, posting without actually saying anything. It would be more helpful if you provided explanations.

 

[jaybee]

You do know how much some fire arms are worth?

Are you suggesting that gun clubs are insecure and/or have theft problems?

 

[DXP55]

Rroff

You are wasting your time with this one.

 

[Uther]

You're doing a lot of this, posting without actually saying anything. It would be more helpful if you provided explanations.

Why should he, it's not like you will take any notice or change your point of view.

 

[SpellowHouse]

I can't help but think the arguments are going off track here. I don't think the fine details matter, they can be up for negotiation. I don't think anyone is calling for an absolute ban on all guns, rather that regulations should be significantly tighter and guns should only be in the hands of professionals. If farmers need training to be that, then so be it. Otherwise they hire a professional. They have a choice.

 

[jaybee]

I can't help but think the arguments are going off track here. I don't think the fine details matter, they can be up for negotiation. I don't think anyone is calling for an absolute ban on all guns, rather that regulations should be significantly tighter and guns should only be in the hands of professionals. If farmers need training to be that, then so be it. Otherwise they hire a professional. They have a choice.

I knew a guy called Leon. He was totes pro.

 

[NVP]

I work with OOH(Out of ours) contractors from all industries, Infrastructure engineers (all the sub divisions that may include electricians and the like).
I also work with pest controllers/hunters etc and people who attend sights to deal with animals.

It is not that simple and your idea wont work based on the needs of said industries, it will be TOO SLOW.

Thanks for at least providing your reasoning.

I think the volume of farmers in comparison would help facilitate a workable solution, as well as having localised services in most farming areas etc.

 

[NVP]

I never had you down as being this illogical and obtuse

Then perhaps don't be so quick to dismiss my comments.

 

[Rroff]

as well as having localised services in most farming areas etc.

Farming areas usually are quite remote and spread out over a large area, sometimes without great transport infrastructure (despite the use of whacking great lorries and trucks) it shouldn't need spelling out how this makes a problem for your idea and there are plenty of genuine reasons why the likes of farmers need ready and quick access to firearms which also shouldn't need spelling out.

I seriously can't believe anyone actually needs this explaining so I can only believe you are being obtuse for non-genuine reasons.

 

[SpellowHouse]

Thanks for at least providing your reasoning.

I think the volume of farmers in comparison would help facilitate a workable solution, as well as having localised services in most farming areas etc.

As I already said I see no reason why farmers couldn't be given a choice. They either train to be a professional or they hire a professional. I think most would train. But that would be more heavily regulated than it is now.

 

[Freefaller]

Ammunition already has to be stored separately from the firearm. It can be in the same cabinet, but it has to be in a separate compartment with a different lock.

I keep mine totally apart, in separate cabinets.

Yes but you're sensible and conscientious unfortunately not everyone is the same.

 

[NVP]

Farming areas usually are quite remote and spread out over a large area, sometimes without great transport infrastructure (despite the use of whacking great lorries and trucks) it shouldn't need spelling out how this makes a problem for your idea and there are plenty of genuine reasons why the likes of farmers need ready and quick access to firearms which also shouldn't need spelling out.

Surely by now you'll realise that perhaps they do need spelling out? As that way, solutions can be thought of etc. rather than "nope, not gonna happen".

Yes, farming areas are large and provide a number of challenges, but farmers don't require their guns on every part of their land. Where do they require them? What is the frequency they require them? How does the farmer traverse the land where they need their gun etc.

Nothing could not be overcome.

As I already said I see no reason why farmers couldn't be given a choice. They either train to be a professional or they hire a professional. I think most would train. But that would be more heavily regulated than it is now.

Exactly, I stated earlier farmers could retain them if they were part of these professional services.

 

[jaybee]

It's a good point on the training to be a professional thing... Does one have to do any formal training as part of a licence application to own a shotgun/rifle in the UK? Like when you want to ride a scooter, you have to do your CBT compulsory basic training. Is there a gun version of that?

 

[Rroff]

As I already said I see no reason why farmers couldn't be given a choice. They either train to be a professional or they hire a professional. I think most would train. But that would be more heavily regulated than it is now.

I dunno about most, but the farmers I know do often call a professional out when they can, I'm not sure training to be professional really solves anything here though - the issue is proliferation increases the chances of someone who is going to go wrong having access to firearms and professional training isn't going to change that as such.

Exactly, I stated earlier farmers could retain them if they were part of these professional services.

As above doesn't really solve anything - you'd still have a roughly same number of people out of necessity, maybe with a slightly improved approach to safety, with access to firearms. Might remove firearms from some who still held on to them for legacy reasons once the farm has gone as someone touched on above.