Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
Not saying it would go through it but its not atypical of an air to air missile to go past its target slightly before detonation, the exact range in that image is fairly hard to determine (none the least due to most likely being fake).

EDIT: According to wiki the most commonly used aa missile on the su-27 has a minimum engagement range of 20m (probably not recommended) and radar proximity fuse and the other 300m minimum arming range.
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Right but to miss it by enough to not set off the proxy and then go past and then complete a large turning circle (using vital fuel), reacquire the target and then hit it doesnt make sense imo.

which missile are you referencing there? the R27? if so the 20 is referencing altitude it can be fired at not min arming distance and would be a odd choice to use given its a medium range missile.
sidewinders as an example of a short range missile can only be used at distances over 1km (using public data)

but we are talking in circles really given the rest of the photo.

*generic fist shake in russias direction*
 
Nutella33 said:
Right but to miss it by enough to not set off the proxy and then go past and then complete a large turning circle (using vital fuel), reacquire the target and then hit it doesnt make sense imo.
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Given the stupid angle/range/closure in the fake photo it actually sounds like the most likely way the missile would make contact lol :P


Nutella33 said:
which missile are you referencing there? the R27? if so the 20 is referencing altitude it can be fired at not min arming distance and would be a odd choice to use given its a medium range missile.
sidewinders as an example of a short range missile can only be used at distances over 1km (using public data)
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If he's talking about the R27 then it's a moot point anyway, in the entire operational history of the missile it has only ever hit it's target in combat once, and it failed to inflict enough damage to down the MiG 29 it hit.
 
Nutella33 said:
Right but to miss it by enough to not set off the proxy and then go past and then complete a large turning circle (using vital fuel), reacquire the target and then hit it doesnt make sense imo.

which missile are you referencing there? the R27? if so the 20 is referencing altitude it can be fired at not min arming distance and would be a odd choice to use given its a medium range missile.
sidewinders as an example of a short range missile can only be used at distances over 1km (using public data)

but we are talking in circles really given the rest of the photo.

*generic fist shake in russias direction*
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Ooops shouldn't post when knackered from work :S

However it wouldn't be turning - proxy fused it can easily detonate just past or ahead of the target from the opposite side to where it was launched.
 
ubersonic said:
For those who missed it the Kiev forces launched a large scale land and air assault on the separatist held areas over the weekend gaining substantial ground.

Needless to say this is against the terms of the ceasefire, and Russia are not happy lol.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30874961
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Odd how Russia was perfectly happy when their rebels were gaining ground, I believe they captured Dontesk airport (not that much will be flying out of there for a while) earlier last week before this Ukrainian operation. The ceasefire has been a joke since it started.
 
Russia have actually been complaining for a while that the Kiev government were just using the ceasefire to reposition troops and machinery. As for Donetsk airport, yes it was recently reclaimed by the rebels however as they were supposed to have it anyway (and would have it the ceasefire had actually worked) it was more of a normalisation than an escalation of the conflict.

I think Poroshenko has realised that trying to quietly retake the rebel held areas without causing enough of a commotion to draw attention isn't going to work, hence the new ground/bombing campaign. After all it's not like the rebels can shoot their bombers down any more as they are claiming they don't have AA lol.
 
Be interesting to see how Russia reacts this time, whether we'll see Russian armed forces supporting the rebels again or whether the economic crisis in Russia has caused a re-think. Personally I think the former, Putin can't afford a stable Ukraine. I read the IMF pressuring Kiev into passing some anti-corruption law at the moment.
 
Well a stable Ukraine would be more likely to repay Russia the billions it owes but yeah I can see Russia lending support to the separatists if Kiev keeps this up, they have already appealed to the international community for military aid.
 
ubersonic said:
IIRC they interviewed a captured border patrol that had strayed a couple of hundred meters into Ukraine while patrolling an unmarked section of the boarder.
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Nah this was a regular soldier and his entire company who had `volunteered` to fight with the rebels. Along with APC`s and Tanks....
 
scorza said:
Not as bad surely - corruption isn't nearly as big a problem in the US as it is in Russia, and when was the last time the USA annexed part of another country?
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There's no need for them to annex countries when they can dictate to most governments, including now Kiev. US aggression is just a lot more covert, economic/political - look at how they've got the EU to sanction Russia even though it hurts the EU as much as it does Russia.
 
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mmj_uk said:
There's no need for them to annex countries when they can dictate to most governments, including now Kiev. US aggression is just a lot more covert, economic/political - look at how they've got the EU to sanction Russia even though it hurts the EU as much as it does Russia.
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Except when it comes to the middle east when the US drops bombs like confetti and there are no ground troops because there isn't a Republican government.

And the US has annexed territories that border it, New Mexico/Texas/California, Louisiana, Alaska, Puerto Rico. Hawaii...
 
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mmj_uk said:
There's no need for them to annex countries when they can dictate to most governments, including now Kiev. US aggression is just a lot more covert, economic/political - look at how they've got the EU to sanction Russia even though it hurts the EU as much as it does Russia.
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It doesn't hurt the EU anywhere near as much as it's hurts Russia! Russia doesn't have access to crucial engineering machinery it needs to develop its economy and banks are hugely restricted from accessing capital markets. The cost to Russia is huge and over the long term is crippling.

Interesting move by Ukraine push now and force Russia to send more troops across the border which will apply pressure on the US and EU to impose more sanctions. That's a move right of Putins own handbook.

Russia has by all accounts lost nearly 5000 personal (one report in FB had them loosing 380 over the few days) this conflict already and in turn has threatened dead soliders families with destitution if they speak out. Nasty, nasty country not much better then some backwards middle eastern hell holes like Yemen or IS I hope the US drowns them in cheap oil like they did with Soviet Union.
 
Freddie1980 said:
It doesn't hurt the EU anywhere near as much as it's hurts Russia! Russia doesn't have access to crucial engineering machinery it needs to develop its economy and banks are hugely restricted from accessing capital markets. The cost to Russia is huge and over the long term is crippling.

Interesting move by Ukraine push now and force Russia to send more troops across the border which will apply pressure on the US and EU to impose more sanctions. That's a move right of Putins own handbook.

Russia has by all accounts lost nearly 5000 personal (one report in FB had them loosing 380 over the few days) this conflict already and in turn has threatened dead soliders families with destitution if they speak out. Nasty, nasty country not much better then some backwards middle eastern hell holes like Yemen or IS I hope the US drowns them in cheap oil like they did with Soviet Union.
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Yes,Yes... lets drown Russia and turn into Yemen, cause thats what we need in a country with enough nukes to wipe the world few times.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Yes,Yes... lets drown Russia and turn into Yemen, cause thats what we need in a country with enough nukes to wipe the world few times.
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Consider a Rusia without Putin, if Putin is forced to resign it's onvious what direction the next leader needs to take Russia which would be one that make the rest of Europe feel a lot safer.

Russia as a modern state has regressed at an alarming rate which is simply a reflection of its leader who has delusions of grandeur.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Except when it comes to the middle east when the US drops bombs like confetti and there are no ground troops because there isn't a Republican government.

And the US has annexed territories that border it, New Mexico/Texas/California, Louisiana, Alaska, Puerto Rico. Hawaii...
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None of your examples are correct except one as Alaska and Louisiana were bought from the countries owning them, Texas opted to join the U.S after being an independent nation for a time. New Mexico and Puerto Rico were ceded to the U.S as the spoils of war. But you do have a point about Hawaii however which they did they take forcefully from a country not at war with them.
 
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Freddie1980 said:
Consider a Rusia without Putin, if Putin is forced to resign it's onvious what direction the next leader needs to take Russia which would be one that make the rest of Europe feel a lot safer.

Russia as a modern state has regressed at an alarming rate which is simply a reflection of its leader who has delusions of grandeur.
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Putin is someone who can be somewhat controlled and reasoned.

Russia without Putin will be something on Stalin scale... It seems you do not understand the vibe of Russian people....

If Putin goes, get ready for Soviet Union number 2... It really is in our best interest to keep Putin power, cause next guy will essentially drop the iron curtain but this time the people will be happy with it.

Your ordinary Russian despises the west and loathes for the past Soviet Union super-power status.... Pro-West leaders are associated with Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who vast majority of Russians consider to be complete traitors, Putin himself was already being slowly put in that trio until the Crimean crisis.

You go ask a Russian who they consider more of a hero, Stalin or Gorbachev and Yeltsin, you have to be living on other planet if you think that Russians going to elect a Pro-Western leader who makes Europe feel secure.
 
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