Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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0007 said:
*London Platinum and Palladium Market: Suspends Russian Refineries From Its Good Delivery Lists
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*Palladium Futures up 7.2% to $2,383 a Troy Ounce

*Finland to Expel Two Russian Diplomats and Discontinue the Visa of One Due to Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine, Says Finnish Government
*Finland Releases 369,000 Barrels of Crude Oil to Market
*Finland Releases Oil to Market From Emergency Stockpiles

*Russia Has Complained to Turkey Over Sale of Bayraktar TB2 Drones to Ukraine, but Sales Are by Private Company — High Level Turkish Bureaucrat
*US Embassy in Kyiv Says Kramatorsk Rail Strike Is “One More Atrocity Committed by Russia in Ukraine”
*US Defence Secretary Austin Spoke With His Ukraine Counterpart About Aid.

*Odesa Region Spokesperson: There Are Casualties After Missiles Struck Region Late on Thursday
*Odesa Region Spokesperson: We Don’t See Preparations for a Landing Operation by Russian Forces
 
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Chris Wilson said:
The European Union aren't very united at the moment again, are they? <LOL>
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I find it strange how you're apparent hopes for division at such a critical juncture in European security can be seen as anything but self interested.

I'm not necessarily arguing with your perspective, but what good could possibly be attained through EU discord given the present circumstances?
 
0007 said:
*Palladium Futures up 7.2% to $2,383 a Troy Ounce
*Russia Has Complained to Turkey Over Sale of Bayraktar TB2 Drones to Ukraine, but Sales Are by Private Company — High Level Turkish Bureaucrat
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Should use that excuse to ship in some decent aircraft / tanks. Private company, free market, all that jazz.
 
0007 said:
*Ukraine Says Two Russian Rockets Hit Railway Station in Kramatorsk in Eastern Ukraine, Says There Are Casualties — RTRS
*Speaking at Finnish Parliament, Zelenskiy Says at Least 30 Dead and 300 Injured in Kramatorsk Rail Station Missile Strike
*Governor of Ukraine’s Donetsk Region: Death Toll From Kramatorsk Rail Strike Rises to 39
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*Governor of Ukraine’s Donetsk Region: Death Toll From Rail Strike Rises to 50, Including 5 Children
 
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DrToffnar said:
I find it strange how you're apparent hopes for division at such a critical juncture in European security can be seen as anything but self interested.

I'm not necessarily arguing with your perspective, but what good could possibly be attained through EU discord given the present circumstances?
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A move to more self sufficiency rather than a tenuous or even fatuous reliance on support from other members when the going gets tough. Just like the NHS the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare, where huge waste is endemic and decisions are so late in the making, if made at all, as to be historically irrelevant in a fast moving world. You have seen the joke that was the EU vaccination programme, and now the way it "works" is being laid bare in a near war situation.

The Ukraine situation aside, the EU (that Union that isn't..) are now bickering, close to open hostility even, over a none EU country (the "insignificant dot of an island" called Great Britain) being awarded a multi billion pound contract, to which British Telecom are the beneficiaries. They don't like it up `em, no Siree.... ;)

If you want to still be politically in bed with the likes of Germany you must be some sort of masochist ;) And IMHO the present circumstances are close to sod all to do with us. Russia don't want NATO or EU countries on their direct borders, and to be honest, I can see why.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Just like the NHS the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare, where huge waste is endemic and decisions are so late in the making, if made at all, as to be historically irrelevant in a fast moving world.
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While it's true that the NHS is long overdue for an overhaul, it's also true that the NHS is one of the most efficient national healthcare systems in the industrialised world, consistently outstripping the rest of the UK economy in productivity growth since 2010.

If you want an example of nightmarish inefficiency and bureaucracy gone wild, look to the American healthcare system. They get the worst value for money in the Western world, with the highest prices and the most amount of absurdly complicated red tape.
 
*OPEC+ Members’ Commitment to Output Target Contributed to Absorbing Oil Excess Supply in the Market — State News Agency Citing Iraqi Oil Ministry Statement
*Iraq Can Ensure Oil Export Volume of More Than 3.3 Million Bpd From Its Southern Terminals — State News Agency Citing Oil Ministry

*Spain Is to Open a LNG Plant That Has Been in Hibernation Since 2012.
*Fitch Ratings: Russian Gas Replacement Only Conceivable in Europe in the Medium Term.
*Fitch Ratings: Expects the LNG Market to Remain Tight in the Next Two Years, With Europe Competing With Asia for LNG Flows
https://www.fitchratings.com/resear...-feasible-in-medium-term-in-europe-08-04-2022

*Ukraine Prime Minister: Visited Bucha With EU’s von Der Leyen, Borrell — Tweet
https://twitter.com/Denys_Shmyhal/status/1512434137872883717 - w/ Images

*Russia’s Medvedev: Sanctions May Count As an Act of Aggression. — IFX.
https://tass.ru/politika/14327135
 
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0007 said:
*Iraq Can Ensure Oil Export Volume of More Than 3.3 Million Bpd From Its Southern Terminals — State News Agency Citing Oil Ministry

*Russia’s Medvedev: Sanctions May Count As an Act of Aggression. — IFX.
https://tass.ru/politika/14327135
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Hey Russia, bombing train stations when civilians are evacuating because you're bombing their homes may count as act of aggression. They're delusional.
 
From the images of Kramatorsk train station it looks like the SS-21 (or 9K79-1 or Tochka-U) missiles used were carrying the 9N24 sub-munition version of the warhead (the version type is important for later). So rather than one big bomb the missile instead has 50 small bomblets, each about the size/power of a hand fired mortar shell which are scattered at about 2000ft in the air, which may explain the large number of casualties but the lack of structural/building damage as the smaller bomblets are specifically designed for killing people/infantry by flinging lots of shrapnel around (316 bits per sub-munition - 15,800 bits per missile) rather than for explosive destruction of buildings/fortifications.

This is what the sub-munition warhead looks like -

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This is how many are fitted in each SS-21 (only 49 in this image). You can see the "rings" around the body of each device which is where a pre-scored line is made to help each "disk" shatter into pre-defined sections -

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and this is the discarded rocket/tail section of the SS-21 for comparison to the Train Station images -

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These last images are taken by the Ukrainian DSNS earlier this month of a Russian SS-21/9K79-1/Tochka-U unexploded missile (UXO) carrying these specific 9N24 sub-munitions which is the first time these had been seen in use in Ukraine. There is an alternative version which carries a different sub-munition which has been widely used by all three parties (Ukraine, Russia & Separatists), but so far only Russia has used the 9N24 version which, despite Russia's insistence that they don't use this type of missile any more, Ukraine is saying these images show that they still are and that it is this type which hit the train station.

Info from - https://armamentresearch.com/soviet-9n24-submunitions-documented-in-ukraine-2022/
 
DrToffnar said:
Reports of a railway station in Kramatorsk mainly used for evacuations being hit. Suspected 30 dead and hundreds injured. Discgusitng.
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It said on the side of the Rocket remains in Russian 'For the children' and this is where Families with children were. On Sky news a reporter going round the aftermath showing you the literal side of the remains of it and then going into the station.

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VortexA1 said:
It said on the side of the Rocket remains in Russian 'For the children' and this is where Families with children were.

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I think that's been clarified as a mistranslation.

"The phrase - "za detei" in Russian - suggests it was fired in support of children, or in retaliation to an attack on children, rather than aimed at children."
 
Sankari said:
While it's true that the NHS is long overdue for an overhaul, it's also true that the NHS is one of the most efficient national healthcare systems in the industrialised world, consistently outstripping the rest of the UK economy in productivity growth since 2010.
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The NHS is usually in the top 10 of such studies, but I wouldn’t hold it up as the gold standard everyone else should be aiming for.
 
DrToffnar said:
I think that's been clarified as a mistranslation.

"The phrase - "za detei" in Russian - suggests it was fired in support of children, or in retaliation to an attack on children, rather than aimed at children."
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Well that's ironic as it was fired right where children were....

'A retaliation on an attack on children '? Where have the Ukraines attacked children??
 
*UK’s Prime Minister Johnson & Germany’s Chancellor Scholz Speak: https://youtu.be/t1CIidBWNzU
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Train Station Attack In Ukraine Was Unconscionable
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Russia Crimes In Ukraine Will Not Go Unnoticed Or Unpunished
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Attacking Civilians Is A War Crime
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Today We Have Agreed To Collaborate On Energy Security And Renewables
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Agreed With Germany To Maximize Potential Of North Sea
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: UK Will Send 100 Million Pounds Of High Grade Military Equipment To Ukraine
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Will Send Air Defence And Anti-Tank Missiles
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Allies Must Go Further In Supporting Ukraine
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Putin Has Failed To Divide Europe
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Putin Has Forced Europe To Re-Arm Together
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: UK And Germany To Hold Joint Cabinet Meeting
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: We're Now Looking At Finding Ways To Support People WHO Want To Send Other Types Of Equipment To Ukraine
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: No Intention To Have Direct Confrontation With Russia
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Is Willing To Consider Any Form Of Defensive Weaponry For Ukraine
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Negotiating With Putin Does Not Seem To Be Full Of Promise
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Is Deeply Deeply Sceptical And Cynical About Putin's Assurances
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: UK Is Not Taking Brexit Article 16 Off The Table

*German Chancellor Scholz: Germany Will Continue To Send Weapons To Ukraine
*German Chancellor Scholz: Our Strategy Is To Inflict Dramatic Costs On Russia
*German Chancellor Scholz: Putin Was Sure Europe Won't Be United If He Invaded Ukraine, But Are United And Will Remain United
*German Chancellor Scholz: It Is Necessary That Germany Got Its Fossil Fuels From Suppliers Other Than Russia
*German Chancellor Scholz: We Think Germany Will Be Able To Substitute Russian Oil Imports This Year
*German Chancellor Scholz: We're Trying To Fulfil Ukraine's Weapons Requests
*German Chancellor Scholz: It Is Not Feasible Today To Get The Amount Of Gas Germany Needs Without Russia
*German Chancellor Scholz: We Are Optimistic We Will Be Able To End Russian Gas Imports
*German Chancellor Scholz: Sanctions On Russian Central Bank And Banking Sector Mean Putin Can't Access Cash To Finance His War In Ukraine
*German Chancellor Scholz: Sanctions Mean Putin Has A Problem In Terms Of Developing Russian Economy


*EU Council President Michel: EU Leaders To Meet For Extraordinary Summit On May 30-31 To Discuss Energy, Ukraine
*EU Council President Michel: Ukraine, Energy, Defense on Special Council Agenda

*US Trade Representative Tai and EU Counterpart: Cooperation Is Key to the Russian Response.
*Bipartisan Bill Would Help Track Down Oligarch Assets in the US.
*AIG Mulls Ending Insurance Cover in Russia, Ukraine — RTRS

*Ukraine’s President Zelensky: Negotiations Are the Only Way to Stop the Bloodshed.
*Ukraine’s President Zelensky: Negotiations Are Not Stalled but Slow and I Do Not See Any Result of Them Yet.
*Ukraine’s President Zelensky: We Asked China to Join Countries That Could Be Guarantors of Ukraine’s Security.

*UK PM Johnson’s Spokesman: For China There Is an Interesting Question to Be Addressed, Whether They Want to Be Associated With What Is Going On in Ukraine.
 
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VortexA1 said:
Well that's ironic as it was fired right where children were....

'A retaliation on an attack on children '? Where have the Ukraines attacked children??
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Lets hope it wasnt fired by Ukraine and it went off course!

Have Ukraine got these?
 
Chris Wilson said:
The European Union aren't very united at the moment again, are they? <LOL>

Marine catching up fast, the filly showing great fortitude as they approach the post... Interesting times.

Trump back in 2024? Smelling salts for the Speaker's Corner at the ready please ;)
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Look at you trying unsuccessfully to contain your excitement at a fascist becoming the president of France :rolleyes:
 
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