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Why is the gas thing just a German problem and not an EU one? Surely all EU members should be equally pooling resources so that Germany can stop being Putin’s poodle? Isnt that the whole point of the EU?

its lucky for Ukraine that the UK is free of the EU as otherwise I imagine the level of support would be tempered by EU meddling.
 
n111ck said:
Why is the gas thing just a German problem and not an EU one? Surely all EU members should be equally pooling resources so that Germany can stop being Putin’s poodle? Isnt that the whole point of the EU?

its lucky for Ukraine that the UK is free of the EU as otherwise I imagine the level of support would be tempered by EU meddling.
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What do you mean by this? It's not a case of simply rerouting a few essential gas pipes from neighboring countries. Your talking about decades long standing infrastructure built during relative peace time. Energy supply and where it comes from on a country to country basis has very little to do with EU policy.
 
n111ck said:
Why is the gas thing just a German problem and not an EU one? Surely all EU members should be equally pooling resources so that Germany can stop being Putin’s poodle? Isnt that the whole point of the EU?

its lucky for Ukraine that the UK is free of the EU as otherwise I imagine the level of support would be tempered by EU meddling.
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I am sure that someone will be along soon to point out that of course we would have been able to do our own thing all along. Which is likely to have been true as the UK has probably the largest independant armed forces in Europe (France and Russia may argue) and we have never been backward in deploying when asked, except Syria where our own parliament intervened. So yes we would still have trained Ukraine and delivered them weapons in spite of the EU.
 
DrToffnar said:
What do you mean by this? It's not a case of simply rerouting a few essential gas pipes from neighboring countries. Your talking about decades long standing infrastructure built during relative peace time. Energy supply and where it comes from on a country to country basis has very little to do with EU policy.
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Just seems like every time something big comes along EU membership isn’t all its cracked up to be… gas, vaccines etc..
 
Hagar said:
I am sure that someone will be along soon to point out that of course we would have been able to do our own thing all along. Which is likely to have been true as the UK has probably the largest independant armed forces in Europe (France and Russia may argue) and we have never been backward in deploying when asked, except Syria where our own parliament intervened. So yes we would still have trained Ukraine and delivered them weapons in spite of the EU.
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Of course we could but would we have under pressure from Germany not to rock the apple cart..
 
Suppose the pertinent question would be if the EU hadn't existed would Germany have changed course so quickly?

There is no answer to that just like there isn't any to how things would have played out in the non-existent situation in which Germany did not develop an overly cautious nature in the aftermath of the wars, we can only work with what we have not what we wish we had and I'm just thankful that Germany is at least pointing in the right direction now.

I'm more concerned about France currently than I am about Germany.
 
n111ck said:
Why is the gas thing just a German problem and not an EU one? Surely all EU members should be equally pooling resources so that Germany can stop being Putin’s poodle? Isnt that the whole point of the EU?

its lucky for Ukraine that the UK is free of the EU as otherwise I imagine the level of support would be tempered by EU meddling.
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no, the EU is a trde union. All members states are sovereign and responsible for their own choices in such matters.

And no, it nskes no difference at all to Ukraine whether the UK is in the EU or not.
 
D.P. said:
no, the EU is a trde union. All members states are sovereign and responsible for their own choices in such matters.

And no, it nskes no difference at all to Ukraine whether the UK is in the EU or not.
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Yep EU membership seems quite limited in the grand scheme of things - is Ukraine wanting to join more a symbolic thing?
 
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