Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Yep EU membership seems quite limited in the grand scheme of things - is Ukraine wanting to join more a symbolic thing?
So you’ll agree that the UK leaving such a ‘limited’ organisation and in so doing caused huge disruption and economic losses was probably a bit silly.

Ukraine will be looking to join for the same reasons other countries have. For absolute starters investment in their infrastructure.
Sure the wealthier members bankroll that but when those poorer members get wealthier all the countries in the block also get richer too via the increased trade. That trading will be done with favourable conditions with pretty much every country on Earth thanks to the EUs agreements that it can negotiate due to its size. It’s nice and reciprocal. Eventually they’ll be net contributors too.
 
So you’ll agree that the UK leaving such a ‘limited’ organisation and in so doing caused huge disruption and economic losses was probably a bit silly.

Ukraine will be looking to join for the same reasons other countries have. For absolute starters investment in their infrastructure.
Sure the wealthier members bankroll that but when those poorer members get wealthier all the countries in the block also get richer too via the increased trade. That trading will be done with favourable conditions with pretty much every country on Earth thanks to the EUs agreements that it can negotiate due to its size. It’s nice and reciprocal. Eventually they’ll be net contributors too.

No the UK is better off out as we keep seeing - vaccines etc..

I dont see any immediate benefit to Ukraine but I suspect despite all the platitudes it will be years if at all that Ukraine is let in.
 
No the UK is better off out as we keep seeing - vaccines etc..

I dont see any immediate benefit to Ukraine but I suspect despite all the platitudes it will be years if at all that Ukraine is let in.

UK could have got those vaccines , that quickly , inside the EU....
 
No the UK is better off out as we keep seeing - vaccines etc..

I dont see any immediate benefit to Ukraine but I suspect despite all the platitudes it will be years if at all that Ukraine is let in.

What have vaccines got to do with it? Some countries in the EU went with a joint venture to procure them and yes they had delays getting it sorted to start with. But no country was forced to do that, they were all free to source their own regardless.
EU rollout overtook the UKs quite a while ago too.

But you're right it would be years before they were officially allowed in. There's lots of things that would need sorting. But hopefully they can start accessing some of the benefits early in order to kick start their recovery. Will be up to the EU to figure out the best way there.
 
Situation looking rather bleak for Ukraine now in the east? seems Mariupol is days away from being captured.

Who to say Russia wont take rest of Ukraine piece by piece after the east :(
 
Situation looking rather bleak for Ukraine now in the east? seems Mariupol is days away from being captured.

Who to say Russia wont take rest of Ukraine piece by piece after the east :(

Just can't see it happening. Even with a successful Eastern campaign done relatively quickly taking the rest of the country would be an absolute nightmare. If they take the Donbass and manage to take crucial southern territory they'll likely dig in and push for 'peace'.
 
Interesting that Rheinmetall have announced they are sending 50 used Leopard I's, before this war started I would have said why would any Ukrainian Tanker want to go into battle in a tank that old against Russian armour but having seen the performance of the Russian armour I suspect the old Leopard I can easily hold it's own against them.
 
*Russian Central Bank: Will Engage All Necessary Instruments To Minimise Risks To Financial And Price Stability In 2022
*Russian Central Bank: Our Policy Will Be Aimed At Protecting People Savings From Harsh Sanctions
*Russian Central Bank: Russia Holds Sufficient Reserves In Gold And Yuan After Western Countries Have Frozen Russian Reserves
*Russian Central Bank Governor Nabiullina: Russian Economy Will Be Able To Return To Growth
*Bank Of Russia: Share Of USD In Reserves Was 10.9% As Of January 1

*Austrian Chancellor Nehammer's Meeting With Russian President Putin Has Started
 
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Past 5hrs:
*Russian Defence Ministry: Downed Two Ukrainian Su-25 Warplanes Near City Of Izium
*Russian Defence Ministry: Russian Air Force Destroyed 78 Military Installations In Ukraine
*Russian Defence Ministry: Destroyed S-300 Missile Launch System Supplied By Europe At The Outskirts Of Ukrainian City Of Dnipro
*Russian Defence Ministry Says Russian Forces Shot Down A Ukrainian MI-24 Military Helicopter In Kherson Oblast, Ukraine
*Russian Defense Ministry: The Russian Military Has Destroyed Two Ukrainian Ammunition Depots And The Radar Of An S-300 Surface-to-Air Missile System
*Russian Defense Ministry: Since The Special Military Operation In Ukraine, 129 Ukrainian Aircraft And 99 Helicopters And 243 Anti-aircraft Missile Systems Have Been Destroyed
*Kremlin: (On Potential Finnish And Swedish NATO Membership) Expansion Of Alliance Will Not Bring Stability To Europe
*Kremlin: There Are No Objective Grounds For A Russian Debt Default
*Kremlin: Russia Has Everything It Needs To Meet Its Obligations But That Unconstructive Position Of Opponents Could Complicate The Situation
*Kremlin: President Putin May Discuss Gas Issues With Austria's Chancellor Nehammer
*Kremlin: Austria Requested Closed Format For President Putin Meeting
*Kremlin: Any Default Would Only Be Technical And Engineered By Others
*German Government Spokesperson Says Austrian Chancellor Informed German Chancellor Scholz Of His Meeting With Russian President Putin In Moscow, Welcomes Meeting
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: No Pause In Military Operation In Ukraine Before Next Round Of Talks
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: He Sees No Reasons Not To Continue Talks With Ukraine
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Russia's Special Operation Aims To End The US Policy Of Domination Of The World

So Russia are copying the Ukranian numbers update to demoralise by informing Ukrainians are loosing requirement too.

My favourite bit is "The unconstructive position of opponents".. If it wasn't for those pesky people opposing Putin's plan for world domination..

So basically the Kremlin leaked that Austria went cap in hand to Putin because it makes good PR but the Austrians wanted a closed meeting. It looks like the Austrian chancellor got the the Putin treatment as he tries to maximise the PR for exploiting cracks in the EU political system.
 
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