well that's from the army page!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...mns-armoured-vehicle-transfer-to-Ukraine.html
from General Sir Richard Dannatt
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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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well that's from the army page!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...mns-armoured-vehicle-transfer-to-Ukraine.html
from General Sir Richard Dannatt
Yes but he's a well known media throbber as I'm sure you are aware. to quote someone from arrse
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Did we give it to them for free or we sold them?
Cause judging by what Poroshenko said, apparently they "bought" them....
If so, well done UK, we essentially got rid of trash and got money for it!!!!
aye thats why I said we've apparently told them to just use it as a runner. better than a lorry if something lands nearby but not much else.
they worked very well - in the role they are designed for
which isn't an APC as they have been using it!
get rid of the cage and put ERA on a mastiff 3 and you have a very survivable APC against a tank
onto a loosing battle there, tanks have enough trouble surviving tanks. APC's dont really need to be tank proof, just needs to be able to slice a BMP up.
The US do seem to be loaning mastiff's out to people though...
mastiff 3 with ERA - faster than most tanks , with a tank killing missile
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so military aid is Ok as long as it goes to the junta in Kiev?
none lethal aid - fine (and now russia is taking the ****, maybe lethal aid - fine)
lethal aid, troops, invasion of another nation - not fine.
It's really not that hard.
Wow, front line Saxons! Something more uparmoured please.
As said though, if you're up against tanks, it doesn't matter what you're in it will likely be destroyed if it's not another tank. I'd rather be galavanting around in something small and very quick with wheels though. In & out.
In fact, give me that AT buggy!
As said though, if you're up against tanks, it doesn't matter what you're in it will likely be destroyed if it's not another tank. I'd rather be galavanting around in something small and very quick with wheels though. In & out.
In fact, give me that AT buggy!
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Why are we supplying used Saxons, to a country that builds/exports one of the best APC going, plus many other highly capable tanks/vehicles
Does anybody know what type of drone that is? If it's some type that is only used by Russia (internally) then that's pretty damning evidence, however it looks significantly less advanced than the Ukranian drone in the first video and I would have expected Russia drones to be equal/better, not look like something an RC enthusiast knocked up in his shed.
That could explain why Strelkov stepped down from his position in the Donetsk Peoples Republic back in August 2014.
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Russia are actively arming the "rebels" already? Any illusions about the poor rebels needing to deffend themselves is long past since they seized the airport and have now encircled Debaltseve thanks to Russian "aid".
Theres no chance they would have been able to mount a military operation lasting this long and be winning with just seized ex-Ukrainian equipment.
I like the fact that the Moscow born rebellion leader Igor Strelkov, hands over leadership of the DPR to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Borodai another Russian Moscow born leader.
"Borodai claims he worked as a “political strategist” during the annexation of Crimea by Russia, and states that the political forces that facilitated the takeover are the same as those active in the Donetsk Republic:"
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While I personally believe that Russia is supplying them, I have to disagree with that statement, the civil war in Ukraine is basically like a fight in a gun store, the are massive caches of weapons and ammunition in the numerous bases.
Added to that, this isn't some small scale thing, this incarnation of the republic of donetsk may be significantly smaller than before it was merged with Ukraine, but the DPR and LPR combined are 82% of the size of Wales and have the same population, it's a big area.
No offense but I find this far fetched.
The logistics alone would be HUGE. Just think about it for one second, we are talking tons upon tons of Fuel & Munitions every day. Tons upon tons of Grad Rockets & Artillery Shells per day required at multiple fronts needed. Not to mention the endless list of other support needed.
Granted They might have captured stockpiled kit. But no way they would have the Massive logistics required to deal with it. What about the millions it must be costing every day? who's feeding them? Remember the money is not coming from the Ukraine government.
A constant stream of tons of Fuel trucks would be needed feed those T72s let alone parts,low loaders,mechanics,support.
You can bet most of those fighters are being payed.
Remember when this first kicked off they were interviewed. They had very little. They stated that if the Ukrainian army turned up they would probably just surrender. Remember the rag tag checkpoints & makeshift weapons. Night and Day within six months.
It must be the fastest turn around in history, they suddenly have the huge numbers, training, anti air, tanks art,MLRS,drones,communication jamming kit,radar,logistics it goes on and on. To beat back a professional Ukrainian army i.e. turned the tide within a month.
Simplistic
Well to address some of those points, they always had strong numbers it was just downplayed in our media, many of them are also either ex-military or were in the army when this kicked off (it's the troops from western Ukraine they are fighting, most of the eastern Ukraine troops ARE the rebels).
Stockpiled kit they have captured (captured is a strong word, some of this stuff was in the hands of troops who defected) includes Tanks, APCs, Buk AA, Weapon/Ammo dumps and entire bases.
Feeding them isn't much of an issue as, like I said the area is almost the size of Wales, there's farmland, shops and the shops are still receiving deliveries from Russian suppliers it's just western Ukraine that's embargoed the east.
They did have very little support at the start but as time went on word spread and it snowballed with civilians and soldiers joining the cause on mass. It also helped massively that for the first half year Kiev were putting in about as much effort as the AI in an RTS game when set to easy with zero resources (They didn't want to attack full on as that could have been construed as using the full army verses protesters by Russia, and resulted in them coming in to help the rebels). Of course it got to the point where because they had been slowly slowly escalating their attacks the rebels had managed to match them.
And of course the big reason they have managed to keep it up is of course because they are probably being supplied by Russia
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