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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Except that ones actually true and has been corroborated by multiple sources including the people who broadcast the "incorrect" images who have apologised.
It was aimed at RT rather than the story which does nothing to prove the now getting thin "There are no Russian tanks in Ukraine" line
Well to address some of those points, they always had strong numbers it was just downplayed in our media, many of them are also either ex-military or were in the army when this kicked off (it's the troops from western Ukraine they are fighting, most of the eastern Ukraine troops ARE the rebels).
Stockpiled kit they have captured (captured is a strong word, some of this stuff was in the hands of troops who defected) includes Tanks, APCs, Buk AA, Weapon/Ammo dumps and entire bases.
Feeding them isn't much of an issue as, like I said the area is almost the size of Wales, there's farmland, shops and the shops are still receiving deliveries from Russian suppliers it's just western Ukraine that's embargoed the east.
They did have very little support at the start but as time went on word spread and it snowballed with civilians and soldiers joining the cause on mass. It also helped massively that for the first half year Kiev were putting in about as much effort as the AI in an RTS game when set to easy with zero resources (They didn't want to attack full on as that could have been construed as using the full army verses protesters by Russia, and resulted in them coming in to help the rebels). Of course it got to the point where because they had been slowly slowly escalating their attacks the rebels had managed to match them.
And of course the big reason they have managed to keep it up is of course because they are probably being supplied by Russia
Definitely being supplied by Russia but they are supplying their own forces.
I cannot find anything you have written in response, very plausible. Its contrary to the mounting evidence, the volume of videos and images coming out of the area.
There is very little doubt that there is a heavy Russian military presence engaging the Ukrainian military. To state other wise is Kremlin narrative, which at this stage, is getting a little comical.
At the very least you admit Russia is pouring in millions of Roubles into this war.
Russian soldiers and civilians joining this so called 'cause' is again a Kremlin narrative. The only cause here is Putin will think he's made up for up for his short stature and think the west 'fears' him. Next stop Lativa.
Russian forces are there, more are coming. Why? They are told to go.
Ukrainians soldiers are fighting the Russian army in Ukraine, they will tell you this not because they are brain washed but because they would know.
Have a read from Russia
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opini...price-of-a-russian-soldier-s-life/510135.html
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...-to-ukraine-amid-alleged-coercion/515139.html
I find that a bit hard to believe, obviously the are a number of Russian citizens who are fighting over there, but then most of them grew up with Russia/Ukraine being part of the same country so it's understandable that a large number of people would want to help their "brothers" fight off what they perceive as an attack by what they see as a coup installed anti Russian government in Kiev.
The is very little reason for Russia to need/want to send actual troops to a region that supports them and dislikes the Kiev government, especially considering how many of the fighters there have military training anyway. Don't forget, in the east they speak a lot of Russian, their main religion is Russian orthodox church, they saw the USSR as liberators in WW2 and the Nazi's as invaders, unlike western Ukraine who saw the reverse.
Like Putin himself said, if his forces were the ones engaging western Ukraine then he would have taken Kiev in a fortnight (or words to that effect).
While entirely likely - a Russian push like that would have escalated things in a very different manner compared to them shoring up a rebel force - I'm not even sure how Russian tanks rolling through Ukraine to Kiev (probably from the NE so it wouldn't take them long) would play out but I'd assume NATO would have a heart attack.
EDIT: Was watching a video last night where a bunch of irregulars were standing around in a field in Ukraine and a guy in what appears to be a Russian officer's uniform (shoulder patch and general style match though that doesn't mean anything on its own as that kind of stuff appears in surplus) and talks about paying them in roubles :S
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Воздушная мишень is not an UAV (well .. technically it is). It's used to simulate cruse missiles. "Воздушная мишень" means "Aerial Target".
http://en.enics.ru/product?product_id=43
So it's basically an aerial decoy? :S
Why would the rebels or even Russia be flying those over western Ukraine? they have no offensive or reconnaissance abilities :S
It must have come from Russia as Ukraine had no drones before the conflict and their new "peoples drone" is not jet powered:
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So it looks to be a simulator rather than an ISTAR asset, or payload delivery platform. It also looks like it is non recoverable, meaning it just crash lands by parachute. Perhaps it wasn't shot down, but just fell to earth instead?
Maybe just to test the others ability to react.
I suspect it's named "decoy" rather than is a decoy. It's description indicates it simulates cruise missiles, which would be quite scary for those that it were falling on.
I'm currently getting all of my Ukraine info from ********, and Dan Carlin: http://www.********.com/c/ukraine
http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/
Where has the best impartial coverage of the conflict?
http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/
Where has the best impartial coverage of the conflict?
I usually search yt for NAF combat victory for decent footage.
No. You Tube NAF channels or anything NAF is about as far from impartial as you can get.
Apparently the rebels rationale for the continued fighting is that the ceasefire is a "frontline truce" and as Debaltseve is inside their territory it isn't covered. They also mentioned that they offered Kiev troops trapped there amnesty in return for their weapons and even a safe corridor out of rebel territory but they refused.
or maybe its been modded. they seem to be losing a few of their "orlans"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEw-09q14o
stills from video
https://news.vice.com/article/untitled-post-1401465662
Loads of reports of a massive push for Debaltseve now. Somethings happening...
captured troops -
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-DoS_QIYAEL_EY.jpg
Nice slow video of the previous "T72B3" convoy so anyone with a clue on t72's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-l0f5qM66Y
New grave site at Debaltseve
http://kommersant.ru/gallery/2669255#id=1118703
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