Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Nelly said:
What the hell is this he's firing in the air? Looks like some Russian WW2 weapon lol.

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Looks like an AGS-17 but I'm no expert.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ians-from-within-its-own-territory-says-study

Bellingcat study saying sat images show artillery firing from inside russia into ukraine on days of big battles.

The investigation made similar findings on a third artillery barrage, on 25 July, south of Sverdlovsk, where Ukrainian forces came under heavy fire – an attack Russian media attributed to the separatist Luhansk People’s Militia. Trajectories calculated from a crater field, however, led to two firing positions in Russia, one at a military base near Pavlovka, just across the border.

Stephen Johnson, a weapons expert at the Cranfield Forensic Institute, part of the Defence Academy of the United Kingdom, said that the application of crater analysis techniques to satellite imagery was “highly experimental and prone to inaccuracy”.

“This does not mean there is no value to the method, but that any results must be considered with caution and require corroboration,” Johnson said in an email after reviewing the Bellingcat report. He added that “the most significant part of the report” was the discovery of the apparent firing positions on the border.

The ground markings do not seem to be consistent with agricultural machinery, Johnson said. “They indicate an orientation of vehicles that would not be unusual for artillery vehicles, and there does appear to be some ‘scorch’ damage that is not a wheel or track.”
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Meanwhile

on #Mariupol front, #Shyrokine 'destroyed by 60-70%', all civilians evacuated, says Azov regiment #Ukraine
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Pushing for maruipol now that Debaltseve is surrounded.

#France at #UNSC: "All heavy weapons need to be pulled back within two weeks... All parties to fullfil Minsk treaty... including Russia"
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and interesting point raised here...
Now that they have #Debaltseve, #Russia calls on #UNSC to accept Minsk 2 to in sure #Ukraine does not try to fight to get it back.
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Nutella33 said:
Nice slow video of the previous "T72B3" convoy so anyone with a clue on t72's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-l0f5qM66Y
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I would say that looks a lot like a T72-B3.

And a T-72BM.

And a T-72B with some BM upgrades.

And most other T-72 variants with a few BM upgrades, I.E the Ukrainian T72-M1.


I am not trying to be a jerk here, I do honestly agree it looks a lot like a T72-B3, however I really think it's worth stressing it could just as well be a different tank with upgrades. Especially considering that due to Kievs T-64 losses they are now pretty much launching their stockpiled T-72s out of the maintenance bays with whatever compatible bits they can stick on them (it's faster to update the stored T-72's then the stored T-80s and T-64s).
 
^^ Most in the videos are T72-M1 and similar with in some cases retrofits or stuff bolted on even in the video I was talking about before only 1 is definitely a B variant and the others probably non-Bs with stuff bolted on.
 
ubersonic said:
I am not trying to be a jerk here, I do honestly agree it looks a lot like a T72-B3, however I really think it's worth stressing it could just as well be a different tank with upgrades.
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Nothing personal at all. Like I've said when posting the videos/pics, I'm no expert on tanks and I know there's plenty of debate about it. Just putting the info out to see if people have a better idea.
 
ThestigGT999 said:
why should we arm the junta in kiev?
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Every citizen of Ukraine who is 18 years of age or older was able to exercise their right to vote in a mixed electoral system (53.2% under party lists and 46.8% in 198 constituencies[1]) with a 5% election threshold.[16][17]

Campaigning for this election was limited to the sixty days prior to the election, starting on 28 August 2014.[18] A total of 2,321 international observers were registered to monitor the election.[19]

Local election watchdogs, international observers, the European Union and Russia cited no serious election violations and were generally pleased with the election
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It's not a junta.

The argument to arm them is that a sovereign nation is being attacked, with outside help from another nation that already invaded a separate part of that country.

You keep repeating the same line and never seem to have a legitimate reply to any answers. :confused:

thep02 said:
If i was the rebel commander I wouldn't let them go unless they left all their supplies, vehicles and weapons.
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If you were the head of the DNR you would be shot in the leg and in hospital right now. try not to get too excited.
http://lifenews.ru/news/150038

"large" explosion heard in Odessa at office of automaiden activist as well. someones blown it up.
 
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thep02 said:
If i was the rebel commander I wouldn't let them go unless they left all their supplies, vehicles and weapons.
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They were given that choice and refused, they were also offered a safe corridor to retreat to their own territory and refused.


Nutella33 said:
The argument to arm them is that a sovereign nation is being attacked, with outside help from another nation that already invaded a separate part of that country.
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It is somewhat comical that in the Libyan civil war our media argued that the use of the army against armed rebels by the government was a massive no no and we had to then act as their air force, bomb all resistance and effectively win the war for them. Yet in Ukraine they argue that the use of the army against armed rebels by the government is fine and we should send them extra weapons :P
 
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ubersonic said:
They were given that choice and refused, they were also offered a safe corridor to retreat to their own territory and refused.
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Not surprising - last time they were offered a corridor for retreat if they left their heavy weapons and supplies they were massacred once they did that.
 
ThestigGT999 said:
like East Ukraine is being attacked for wanting independence or to be separate from ukraine, they should decide their own fate.
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They are being attacked because they took up arms, took over area's of cities attacked police stations and army bases and proclaimed them another countries. no legitimate vote, just weapons. when offered a amnesty to disarm and leave, they didnt and so fighting to retake the governments buildings took place.
In all cases the government buildings were stormed by armed gunmen. Thats an attack. After these buildings were taken "peoples battalions" magically appeared with GRU members at their heads.

May also be noted the current rebel areas are still nowhere near the main russian speaking minority areas of the ukraine. why are the other area's peaceful I hear you cry? because they aren't on the border with russia who is stoking them with support to attack the government.
ukraine didn't randomly pick some populous districts, gave up their positions there and then start shelling it. :rolleyes:

It is somewhat comical that in the Libyan civil war our media argued that the use of the army against armed rebels by the government was a massive no no and we had to then act as their air force, bomb all resistance and effectively win the war for them. Yet in Ukraine they argue that the use of the army against armed rebels by the government is fine and we should send them extra weapons :P
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The media is afraid of sandy places with no clear "good guys". this ones on our doorstep, its snowy and there's a legitimate cause. Although yes ultimately it depends on how legitimate you consider the side you're backing is as to whether you think gov vs armed rebels is bad or good and what cost you want to pay yourself (words, gold or blood)

thats all a royal you and we naturally

Rroff said:
Not surprising - last time they were offered a corridor for retreat if they left their heavy weapons and supplies they were massacred once they did that.
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fair point indeed.
 
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