Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Mr Jack]

I'm just saying hypothetically as we really don't know Russian or our own full capability but on paper at least, the nukes would saturate any defences, just have to hope that their nukes are as functional as everything else about them

For what it is worth, the US military claim that they can shoot down every nuke launched against them. This claim does not seem widely believed, but it is likely that the overwhelming majority of nukes launched by Russia wouldn't reach targets on US soil. And while Russia has 5k or so nuclear warheads, the number it can actually has ready to launch before it gets annihilated by the counterstrike is much smaller. A nuclear war between with Russia probably won't be the global end horror story oft portrayed, but it will still be an unimaginably severe global tragedy.

 

[Malevolence]

we need some kind of laser defence to stop them

Maybe I watched to many star wars movies

Dreams of war, dreams of liars
Dreams of...

 

[Turn]

Spoiler: *Russia’s Security Council Secretary Patrushev: The Policies of the Former West and the Actions of the “Kyiv Regime” May Lead to the Division of Ukraine Into Several States — IFAX

Spoiler: *UPDATE 1-Tennis-Only viable option: Wimbledon defends ban on Russian, Belarusian players — RTRS

 

[Kill_Phil]

Our type 45s would have us covered.

We only have 6 though don't we?

 

[Hades]

we need some kind of laser defence to stop them

Maybe I watched to many star wars movies

In the 1980's the US started to develop a satellite based anti nuclear defence system which was dubbed the Star Wars defence initiative. But it was scrapped as part of the nuclear weapons reduction treaty at Reykjavik between Reagan and Gorbachev. It was viewed by Russia (and Thatcher) as undermining MAD and increasing the risk of confrontation.

Fun fact: The natural place for the summit would have been somewhere in the UK, especially as Thatcher had been instrumental in bringing Reagan and Gorbachev together. But apparently Reagan didn't want Thatcher involved in the treaty so they took place ay Reykjavik instead.

 

[Harlequin]

Sorry to deliver the bad news, but we have no chance of stopping any ballistic missiles - the deterrent is that they can't stop ours either.

Thats not strictly true - the S400 has an anti ballistic missile ability (max altitude of 200,000 feet) with kinetic hard kill `rods` in the 77N6 (also to be used by the S500)

 

[Turn]

*Ukrainian Presidential Adviser: Russia Wants to Destabilise Transdniestria Region in Moldova
*Ukrainian Presidential Adviser: “If Ukraine Falls Tomorrow Russian Troops Will Be at Chisinau’s Gates”, but Says Ukraine Will Ensure Strategic Security of The Region
https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1518938723764817924

 

[Minusorange]

we need some kind of laser defence to stop them

Maybe I watched to many star wars movies

Even lasers have their own issues like cooling and power supply, you can't keep them on indefinitely

A nuclear war between with Russia probably won't be the global end horror story oft portrayed, but it will still be an unimaginably severe global tragedy.

Yes any nuclear exchange will not be pretty

https://twitter.com/x/status/1518938944305434624

The longer this war drags on the more supply issues I think we're going to see

 

[StriderX]

Thats not strictly true - the S400 has an anti ballistic missile ability (max altitude of 200,000 feet) with kinetic hard kill `rods` in the 77N6 (also to be used by the S500)

Assuming of course you can get the missile before the MIRV detaches and enters it's terminal phase.

 

[Turn]

*Britain Urged Ukraine to Strike at Military Facilities in Russia by All Possible Means
*James Heappey: London Official Believes Ukraine Must Strike Deep Into the Enemy to Attack His Logistics Lines, Fuel Supplies, Ammunition Depots,” He Told Times Radio
*James Heappey: Added That London Official Believes That Ukraine Can Inflict Pinpoint Strikes on Russian Military Targets, and This Is “Completely Legal”, Because Russia Is Doing the Same on the Territory of Ukraine
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1518848747903635457 - Video

Spoiler: *UK to Send Ambulances, Medical Aid to Ukraine — RTRS

*German Government: Will Approve the Delivery of Cheetah Anti-Aircraft Tanks (Gepard) To Ukraine

Spoiler: *Ukrainian Deputy PM: No Humanitaran Corridors Are Working on Tuesday, There Is No Ceasefire; No Humanitarian Corridors As Fighting Has Not Halted — RTRS

Spoiler: *World Bank: Food, Fuel Price Shocks From Ukraine War to Last at Least 3 Years — RTRS

*Ukraine Raises 13 Billion Hryvnia in War Bond Sale

*Donetsk Leader Pushrin: Militants Trapped in Mariupol Demand Arms Evacuation to Turkey

Spoiler: *Head of Moldova’s Breakaway Region of Transdniestria: Traces of “Terrorist Attacks” Lead to Ukraine — TASS — RTRS

 

[steve45]

Our type 45s would have us covered.

Unfortunately I do not think that is the case. This was covered earlier in the thread. Unless the situation changed, our ASTER missiles are not of the type capable of intercepting Ballistic missiles, the do not have the range nor the sufficient tracking ability. Though I do believe they have just started a decade long contract to refurbish our current stock of ASTER missiles and bring them up to Block 1NT standard and refit the launch system to give the 45's the ability to carry out that function. However last thing I read on that was late 20's before that will be complete.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

snip

There is no guarantee that the threat will be exclusively (or at all) ICBMs. Planes could bring cruise missiles around the top of Scandinavia and unleash a couple of hundred from off Norway's west coast. Type 45s can handle Cruise but not a full saturation. Given that a couple of 45s are usually off on world duties and one or two are in dock getting stuff done, we could only offer up 3 * 48 missiles, which wouldn't have 100% hit rate. And they are unlikely to be all three in exactly the right place!

e: typing

 

[I_M_Weasel]

Thats not strictly true - the S400 has an anti ballistic missile ability (max altitude of 200,000 feet) with kinetic hard kill `rods` in the 77N6 (also to be used by the S500)

I'm in no way convinced they can hit a target doing Mach19, especially as a hard kill. It might, I suppose, but would you bet the country on it.

 

[Turn]

Spoiler: *Russia’s Rosneft Seeks Pre-Payment in Roubles for Oil Products — RTRS

*Russia’s Rosneft Offered More Than 4mln T of Naphtha, Fuel Oil, VGO and MDO Loading May-June Via Tenders -Sources
*Russia's Rosneft Tender Terms Asked for Payment in Roubles and 100% Pre-Payment for Its Oil Products

Spoiler: *Head of Moldova’s Breakaway Region of Transdniestria: Traces of “Terrorist Attacks” Lead to Ukraine — TASS — RTRS

Spoiler: *Update 1-Moldovan Breakaway Region Says Attacks Can Be Traced to Ukraine- TASS — RTRS

Spoiler: *Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry Says It Is Concerned by Attempts to Worsen Security Situation in Transdniestria, Reiterates Support for Moldova’s Territorial Integrity — RTRS

 

[Turn]

*Britain Urged Ukraine to Strike at Military Facilities in Russia by All Possible Means
*James Heappey: London Official Believes Ukraine Must Strike Deep Into the Enemy to Attack His Logistics Lines, Fuel Supplies, Ammunition Depots,” He Told Times Radio
*James Heappey: Added That London Official Believes That Ukraine Can Inflict Pinpoint Strikes on Russian Military Targets, and This Is “Completely Legal”, Because Russia Is Doing the Same on the Territory of Ukraine
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1518848747903635457 - Video

Spoiler: *UPDATE 1-Russia warns Britain for provoking Ukraine — RTRS

*Russia’s Defence Ministry: London’s Direct Provocation of Kyiv to Strike Targets on Russian Territory Will Immediately Lead to a Proportional Response — RIA
*Russia's Defence Ministry: Russian Army Ready to Respond With Strikes From Precision-Guided Weapons at Decision-Making Centers in Kyiv — IFAX
https://ria.ru/20220426/oruzhie-1785580027.html

 

[Dis86]

Unfortunately I do not think that is the case. This was covered earlier in the thread. Unless the situation changed, our ASTER missiles are not of the type capable of intercepting Ballistic missiles, the do not have the range nor the sufficient tracking ability. Though I do believe they have just started a decade long contract to refurbish our current stock of ASTER missiles and bring them up to Block 1NT standard and refit the launch system to give the 45's the ability to carry out that function. However last thing I read on that was late 20's before that will be complete.

We're talking about aircraft

 

[Harlequin]

I'm in no way convinced they can hit a target doing Mach19, especially as a hard kill. It might, I suppose, but would you bet the country on it.

Its a math problem not a material problem

 

[steve45]

We're talking about aircraft

Apologies, I was reading all the posts around it relating to Nukes and didnt even bother reading what you quoted My bad!

 

[Turn]

Spoiler: *Ukrainian Deputy PM: No Humanitaran Corridors Are Working on Tuesday, There Is No Ceasefire; No Humanitarian Corridors As Fighting Has Not Halted — RTRS

*Nikonorova, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Donetsk People’s “Republic”: The Humanitarian Corridor of the Azov Steel Plant Is Still Open, but No One Has Left

*German Defense Minister Lambrecht: Germany to Consider More Weapons Supplies to Ukraine

 

[Turn]

*Russia Has Halted Gas Supplies to Poland — ONET.PL
https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onet...tawy-gazu-do-polski-co-dalej/sf4jdzj,79cfc278