Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Be interesting to know what surveillance range the RQ-4 has at that position over the Black Sea and what targets it is likely monitoring other than sea traffic. Or is it just up there as a statement of deterrence? have also highlighted a blackhawk heli on manoeuvres
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That’s incorrect, I spend 16 years in the Royal Artillery, and the GMLRS that we used was known as the the 40km sniper as we could hit a 1m sq from 40km away.
And that’s what the Ukrainians are using?
How many rockets were needed to hit that 1 sq meter?
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Subject is discussed
General art of the possible is assumed
General art of the possible is explained by someone who knows
“Irrelevance to subject” goes the cry
Classic punditry
or taken out of context to look clever.
eta, I await the “that wasn’t what I meant”
General art of the possible is assumed
General art of the possible is explained by someone who knows
“Irrelevance to subject” goes the cry
Classic punditry
or taken out of context to look clever.eta, I await the “that wasn’t what I meant”
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1, precision fire
I suspect you're confusing Russian artillery tactics which seem to be stuck somewhere in WW1 with Western tactics from WW2 and onwards.
Western armies tended to realise that sometimes you don't want to use hundreds/thousands of shells to hit something (shells that have to be made, and taken forward to the front lines instead of say other ammo, food, fuel, or medical supplies), so they train and equip to be able to do "accurate" fire. Simple things like IIRC the western armies tend to use factory produced "plastic" clip on propellent for mortars which are a very precise amount and fast to use, the Russians still appear to be using "tie on" paper/cloth charge bags on at least some of their mortars (longer to prepare, less precise).
You can still do "area denial" and target a field, but you can also hit smaller targets more accurately which is a massive advantage especially if you're looking at "shoot and scoot" where you might only want to stay in place long enough to fire one or two rounds per gun and hopefully get away before the counter battery fire starts.
Even something like giving an artillery unit a targeting computer that can take into account the weather more accurately (IIRC wind direction, strength, temperature and air pressure) in addition to the precise known location of your gun and the target can make a huge difference even using the same guns over just the rough location of your gun/the enemy and rough wind direction/speed.
I would not be at all surprised to hear that the Ukrainians are potentially using modern portable fire control/targetting computers with their arty (possibly bought from the west after 2014).
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Your right. I’m not expecting either ex Soviet 3rd world economies to have 1st tier weapons systems.
Quantity over quality in all things.
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Theory crafting here - If you had a few guided artillery shells but you wanted your enemy to believe a direct hit was just down to "luck" rather than say realising their intel had been breached, then the first 2-3 rounds to land would be the guided ones followed by the rest of the unguided (but still accurate) artillery shells. This way you could "hide" the extremely accurate intelligence you'd got about exactly what/where to hit by having what appears to be just a basic barrage which got lucky.
That'd be a good theory I guess.
That was my thought at the time.
You hide the "good" targeted hit in with a load of normal ones.
I just googled and it looks like the US announced they'd be giving the Ukrainians some precision shells a week or so earlier, so it's entirely possible that they'd already been trained and had some.
Be interesting to know what surveillance range the RQ-4 has at that position over the Black Sea and what targets it is likely monitoring other than sea traffic. Or is it just up there as a statement of deterrence? have also highlighted a blackhawk heli on manoeuvres
Depends on the sensor(s) being utilised/sensor fit of that tail number. They can be fit with your usual electro-optical cameras, or synthetic aperture radars. They'll also do sigint collection and could act as simply a comms or data relay.
All of which will have varying ranges of effectiveness.
E: given its operating altitude, I think the SAR would be able to operate quite happily at the ranges shown on your graphic and see into crimea and beyond. Sigint will probably cover the whole of the black sea. I'm just guessing there though.
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Be interesting to know what surveillance range the RQ-4 has at that position over the Black Sea and what targets it is likely monitoring other than sea traffic. Or is it just up there as a statement of deterrence? have also highlighted a blackhawk heli on manoeuvres
As above depends on which sensors, etc. but IIRC ~280miles at ~50,000 feet.
Flight profile looks about right for gmti collect over Odessa.
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As in the US providing detailed and direct Intel to Ukrainian forces, yes. Must be annoying the hell out of the russians no end.
Just when you think the russians couldn't get any more stupid in deepening the row with the country that actually wanted to be friends with them... Lavrov doubles down on insulting Israel by claiming israeli mercenares are fighting alongside “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine, because Zelinsky is of jewish heritage ergo Hitler must have been of jewish origin and... yeah. You have to wonder at what point the russians fabricate so many lies and misinformation even those at the top start to believe the nonsense they're spinning.
Israeli mercenaries are fighting alongside Azov brigade ‘neo-Nazis’, claims Russia
Accusation intensifies row between the two nations over Kremlin’s continued claim that it is seeking to 'de-Nazify' Ukraine
www.telegraph.co.uk
No problem they can just order more parts from the T-80 factory in Ukrai- aww snap xD
This is pretty much the crux of the matter, aircraft carriers didn't render battleships obsolete because they could kill them with ease, submarines could already do that. They rendered them obsolete because they could do their job better, and you can't replace a tank with an anti-tank weapon.
Soviet economies were second world, the third world was countries that didn't ally with the west or the east.
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