Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Regarding this bomb/grenade or whatever.

Don't forget Kiev is divided between the pro-EU government, these far right blokes and pro-Russia people. As the Ukrainian economy edges closer towards the toilet tensions between these groups are only going to heighten and we might see fighting like the massive protests before the war happening again in Kiev.

Personally I think we are seeing the death of a country, the best they can hope for is giving away a load of territory to Russia. Military hardware from allies is no good when your soldiers are conscripts who don't want to fight anyway.
 
Because it didn't meet the high standards set does not make it trash :)

Theres a video on youtube of the guy who designed the f16 basically saying the F35 IS crap. Says they basically tried to build something that could do everything and on the cheap so it ended up being bad at everything and inferior to previous gen aircraft in most areas
 
Advanced version of the S-300, only came operational in 2013 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300VM

I wonder if Russia is doing this to try annoy the US?

If it is agreed, will it be Russia's way of causing conflict with US / Israel vs Iran?
Russia offers to sell anti-aircraft missiles to Iran

Russia has reportedly offered to sell Iran powerful and advanced anti-aircraft missiles in a deal that could have an impact on nuclear talks approaching a deadline next month.

Sergei Chemezov, head of the Russian state arms conglomerate Rostec, was quoted by the Tass news agency as saying the firm was willing to supply Tehran with Anstey-2500 missiles with the capability of intercepting and destroying ballistic and cruise missiles as well as aircraft. Chemezov said Tehran was considering the offer.

If the sale goes ahead, the missiles are likely to represent a significant defence against any future air strikes aimed at Iran’s nuclear facilities, and so could in theory diminish pressure on Iran to come to an agreement in nuclear negotiations.

Conversely, if the talks fail, a missile deal could raise pressure from Israel and from US hawks for military action before the delivery of the Russian weapons makes air strikes riskier and less effective.
Further reading here >> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/russia-offers-sell-anti-aircraft-missiles-iran-nuclear-talks
 
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all massive defense projects these days are late and over budget and take at least another 10-20 years to mature

the f15, f16 and f18 all took years to get to the point now where they are awesome - the f35 will be in another 20 years still getting upgrades that way exceed its IOC

all the f35 chat is just the same old guff - yeah its a turkey now, yeah its multiples in cost of the current generation planes and lots of people will moan about it for along time yet
 
I wonder if Russia is doing this to try annoy the US?
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Of course. They've already said they'll do things like this if the US does go ahead and give the Ukraine lethal weapons. They've also threatened to give the Chinese some advanced stuff as well.
 
Theres a video on youtube of the guy who designed the f16 basically saying the F35 IS crap. Says they basically tried to build something that could do everything and on the cheap so it ended up being bad at everything and inferior to previous gen aircraft in most areas

I'd take issue with that. Theres nothing wrong with multirole fighters as a concept (f15, f18 and f16 itself would be testament to that) and they certainly didn't do it on the cheap (the 3 variants instead of cramming it into one which costs more, the insane sensor technology embedded (something the f16 was noted for at its time), 5th gen materials, entirely new type of engine for one of the variants, new weapon systems etc)

It's only the B that's having the problems, not the other two variants. And the A and the C do compare to the previous generation in traditional areas and then far exceed them in modern areas (avionics, sensors, defensive aid suites etc) which is the main part of the battle in the next 30 odd years.

Honestly the B is the beaten stepchild of the family. And unfortunately I think entirely due to lobbying by RR its the one we are buying, But it's also the variant which is going to be the rarest by quite a margin
 
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Russia is such a pathetic country that it will do whatever possible to annoy and scare West. Also it is a one massive fail with broken economy and brainwashed nation still worshipping animals like Lenin and Stalin. It must be eliminated before it is too late, Hitler wasn't and millions of innocent people paid with their lives. There is nothing like talking nice to Putin, every agreement you make with him he wipes his bottom with. Merkel and Hollande are a disgrace and shouldn't be involved in any more "diplomacy" towards that Russian Evil Empire.

edit @ Curio, simpleton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZjyyAE-78 watch and learn...
 
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Russia is such a pathetic country that it will do whatever possible to annoy and scare West. Also it is a one massive fail with broken economy and brainwashed nation still worshipping animals like Lenin and Stalin. It must be eliminated before it is too late, Hitler wasn't and millions of innocent people paid with their lives. There is nothing like talking nice to Putin, every agreement you make with him he wipes his bottom with. Merkel and Hollande are a disgrace and shouldn't be involved in any more "diplomacy" towards that Russian Evil Empire.

You go, girl!
 
Russia is such a pathetic country that it will do whatever possible to annoy and scare West. Also it is a one massive fail with broken economy and brainwashed nation still worshipping animals like Lenin and Stalin. It must be eliminated before it is too late, Hitler wasn't and millions of innocent people paid with their lives. There is nothing like talking nice to Putin, every agreement you make with him he wipes his bottom with. Merkel and Hollande are a disgrace and shouldn't be involved in any more "diplomacy" towards that Russian Evil Empire.

Go for it, kiddo. I am sure you're itching to 'lock and load' and hero your way through ranks of brainwashed commies.

Freedom needs a hero like you...
 
Theres a video on youtube of the guy who designed the f16 basically saying the F35 IS crap. Says they basically tried to build something that could do everything and on the cheap so it ended up being bad at everything and inferior to previous gen aircraft in most areas

Pierre Sprey, he has a history of saying some rather controversial things about aviation. Simply put, he is stuck in the past on many matters regarding aviation design and progression. He even claims that the F15 is crap, which it really is not.
 
America/SK have been preparing/practising to invade NK for decades, they haven't done it yet.

They haven't been doing either, beyond what aid they give to S.Korea. SK could roll over NK in a couple of days but theres every likelihood theyd have to kill hoards of men, women and children, not to mention deal with the nukes and probably the chinese at some point. Invasion is nowhere near as attractive as maintaining the status quo.
 
all the f35 chat is just the same old guff - yeah its a turkey now, yeah its multiples in cost of the current generation planes and lots of people will moan about it for along time yet

I cant believe they're retiring the superb A10 for this turkey, which wont be able to do anything like the CAS role. But yes, as you say, military contracts.

 
Theres a video on youtube of the guy who designed the f16 basically saying the F35 IS crap. Says they basically tried to build something that could do everything and on the cheap so it ended up being bad at everything and inferior to previous gen aircraft in most areas

and there's another video of current fighter jocks - not those dinosaurs wheeled out from the 1960`s slating everything he says... he hasn't got a clue about 21st centaury air warfare.
 
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