Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Another thing often lacking - I've seen training of Western armies under similar situations where they lay down smoke and manoeuvre, Russians don't seem to do that much - I think I've only seen individual tanks do it in 1-2 videos.

Russia seem to advance in small groups with 0 coordination between other groups, no wonder they get picked off.

It's like everyone has been given the order to "invade Ukraine", but 0 plan has been made as to how that will actually happen.
 
Quite a few guys discussing their service history in here but I thought the forum was just full of Cod playing wannabe children?
 
I think it gets trucked to a nearby mass storage facility, and then goes on rail from there.

Anyone on here know if this is correct?
Handling grain tends to need specialist equipment and people trained to use it.

You can from memory use basically bulk "dry" containers to ship it, but you need to have things like grain "elevators" and conveyor belts to quickly and safely move it from say a truck to the rail cart, then similar at the other end.
With rail transport one of the ways they do it is special cars that are designed so you load into the top, then at the other end the car goes over a raised pit and the bottom of the car opens to empty it out quickly using gravity to do the work.
However you need hundreds/thousands of rail cars to move what you can do in a single ship load.

And all the time you're doing this you need to monitor and control the dust levels, make sure everything is earthed properly to lower the risk of an explosion (scarily common if you don't handle it right*), whilst trying to keep it dry and preventing rot or contamination.

In a time of war you've got the problem that not only are you contending with say the other side trying to destroy your transport facilities, but you're already juggling the priorities of what gets sent, when, and how, and the disruption, so military supplies will get priority, and you may not be able to get the train cars needed to be moving back and forth efficiently or at all.


*the grain dust can go up like a bomb if there is the right mix of dust and air and you get a spark.
 
Handling grain tends to need specialist equipment and people trained to use it.

You can from memory use basically bulk "dry" containers to ship it, but you need to have things like grain "elevators" and conveyor belts to quickly and safely move it from say a truck to the rail cart, then similar at the other end.
With rail transport one of the ways they do it is special cars that are designed so you load into the top, then at the other end the car goes over a raised pit and the bottom of the car opens to empty it out quickly using gravity to do the work.
However you need hundreds/thousands of rail cars to move what you can do in a single ship load.

And all the time you're doing this you need to monitor and control the dust levels, make sure everything is earthed properly to lower the risk of an explosion (scarily common if you don't handle it right*), whilst trying to keep it dry and preventing rot or contamination.

In a time of war you've got the problem that not only are you contending with say the other side trying to destroy your transport facilities, but you're already juggling the priorities of what gets sent, when, and how, and the disruption, so military supplies will get priority, and you may not be able to get the train cars needed to be moving back and forth efficiently or at all.


*the grain dust can go up like a bomb if there is the right mix of dust and air and you get a spark.

Nyet. Doesn't require any particularly specialist equipment just good handling and storage procedures.
 
Grain dust hazards would fall under ATEX regs so any electrical equipment or equipment with spark potential would need to be suitably designed and certified to be used anywhere a potentially explosive dust cloud could occur.
 
I wonder if we're underestimating what will happen when Finland is officially no longer on the table for Russian irredentists?

There is a scenario in which the far-right imperialist movement in Russia might take it as a final insult from the Kremlin that they aren't being serious and decide new leadership is necessary. People who could be described in such a manner don't appear to be under any threat of censor for criticising the war thus far, but I cannot tell if that is because the Kremlin is afraid of them (like when any populist creates a beast they can no longer contain) or if they have always been in control post-USSR and have just been content to do what any populist 'patriot' does by putting their personal interest above the country they pretend to care about.

Either way they cannot possibly spin Finland joining NATO positively whilst their not-a-war operation goes into it's fourth month without much progress, so something has to give.
 
I have extremely low faith in any guesswork as to what the russian leadership let alone the general russian population thinks.

One constantly lies to everyone and the other we have no way of actually gauging the thoughts of. Sure we can see X number are discontented but so what.
 
irredentists

I had no idea that was actually a word.

I have extremely low faith in any guesswork as to what the russian leadership let alone the general russian population thinks.

One constantly lies to everyone and the other we have no way of actually gauging the thoughts of. Sure we can see X number are discontented but so what.

Personally I think there is a bad misunderstanding of several aspects when it comes to Putin - people try and superimpose what makes sense to them on his actions. A lot of the build up to this when he was meeting with Macron, etc. Putin wasn't present with diplomatic intentions he was simply re-affirming what he expected to see (possibly with confirmation bias) that nothing had changed in the way he wanted it to before committing to a course of action he'd already really decided on and double-validating his personal reasoning to blow away and whiffs of doubt he might have.

(That and using it to sow a bit of division in the West)
 
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UK MoD - 'Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 11 May 2022'
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Projecting a bit.

They were and are helping Russia who started by building up forces and claiming peaceful intents.

So when Belarus sees Nato forces building up all they can think of are the Russian lies just before invading Ukraine. Obviously the degenerate west will be exactly as deceitful otherwise what was the point in distrusting them all these years.
 
I think Poland has advanced too far to be an easy conquest. I suspect it's typical for forces to maintain a adequate defence posture (both NATO and Belarus). Also there's two other aspects (a) NATO keeps Belarus forces out of Ukraine and (b) Belarus keeps it's forces from being destroyed by Putin's war leaving Belarus open (and risking the security of the puppet government).

I think the nordics share a unique bond in supporting one another. So an invasion of Finland is likely to not be easy.

The plan with indoctrinating children is obviously going to be beyond Putin's lifetime, so I suspect this the ruling elite pulling the strings to ensure their long term stability. Olligarch cash has to come from somewhere..
 
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