More like bureaucracy hamstrings it's deployment to places.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Maybe they "acquired" it in Afghanistan/Iraq
We should feel honoured that we are worthy of attention by Russia's disinformation services.
Not "in" Afghan but "for" Afghan, to be used to arm the local troops just like the Mi-17 Helo's and whole bunch of other "Soviet" things the US bought to supply to the Afghani's before their spectacular collapse left the US holding a large amount of old kit and no-one to give it too.
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*Finland and UK Will Deepen Their Defence and Security Cooperation, the Countries Say in Joint Declaration
*UK and Finland Say We Are Committed to Defend Principles of European Security Order
*Finland Says It Regards As Positive UK’s Strong Commitment to Baltic Region’s Security, Including Its Troops in Estonia
*UK’s Johnson Says NATO Poses No Threat to Anyone
*Finland and UK Will Deepen Their Defence and Security Cooperation, the Countries Say in Joint Declaration
*UK and Finland Say We Are Committed to Defend Principles of European Security Order
*Finland Says It Regards As Positive UK’s Strong Commitment to Baltic Region’s Security, Including Its Troops in Estonia
*UK’s Johnson Says NATO Poses No Threat to Anyone
Exactly, the same with Finland too.
I think Putin fully knows how much Russia would have prospered.
The thing is though, he and his "oligarch" friends have drunk so much from the "cup that giveth" that they have bled Russia dry.
Think about this. Putin, apart from his early teens was a lifelong KGB officer. Even when he rose to the rank of head of the KGB, he wouldn't have been paid in Millions of Roubles. Then he became Prime minister, again not millions of Roubles. Even when President, not millions of Roubles.
Putin is reported to be worth $200 Billion........................now, he certainly hasn't earned that. What he has done is Stole, killed, extorted, bribed and corrupted people to get that money. It's not just him though, 100's of other oligarch's have done the same thing and have been doing it over the last 30 years or so.
That's why Russia is "potless"
Putin and his other oligarch friends know full well that if Russia had prospered, they would be "potless" And like all despots, they put themselves before anyone else.
While the west keeps on buying Russian oil and gas, it only increases Putin's and his mates coffers. Very little of that money will end up paying for Russia's war...........................most of it will end up in Putin's Russian bank account, along with his mate's bank accounts. When this is all over, they simply "launder" those Roubles via western banks in the time honoured fashion...............................in exactly the same way they have been laundering it for last 30 years.
The 200,000 shells sounds like a lot but really puts WW1 in context.How much ammo
In the seven days leading up to the Somme offensive the UK fired 1.5 million shells at the German lines along 25 miles of front. That comes out with the mind boggling statistic that on average each metre slice of front was hit with 38 shells.
It's kind of like that statistic that in WW2 around 2 million tons of bombs were dropped by all sides. Sounds like a lot, but in Vietnam the US alone dropped 7 million tons of bombs.
Number of shells isn't as relevant as shell/bomb size though and today the bangs are much bigger.
Also how they're used.
The example of the Somme is a bit extreme as they were basically being used to blanket a huge area constantly, so far the Russians are the only ones who seem to be doing that in Ukraine (and even they are having to take breaks to conserve ammo), whilst the Ukrainians seem to be doing specific targeting for short periods of time and probably do more in military terms with a couple of dozen rounds than the Russians are with tens of tons.
On a side note I was reading something last night that was saying the Ukrainians seem to be playing quite smart with their artillery, apparently they're using some fire control system that doesn't tell say an entire battery of guns to fire at a target, but tells individual guns and launchers from anything within range to fire for time on target.
The effect being that Russian counter battery fire is far less effective as it sees basically one gun firing two or three rounds and decides it's a low priority target, and makes it harder to spot visually, and the fact they've got fire coming in from potentially dozens of locations may confuse it a bit.
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Bigger than 320mm Railway artillery though ?
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Not really. The US is providing 90 155mm howitzers. The British had more than 3 times the quantity in that size and much larger.
For the Somme the British had
~1000 field artillery pieces 85mm & 115mm equivalent. (3.3" & 4.5")
In heavy artillery
~130 127mm equivalent. (5")
~300 152mm - 380mm equivalent. (6" - 15")
*Ukraine’s Zelenskiy Says He Spoke to German Chancellor Scholz, Discussed Energy Cooperation and Increasing Sanctions on Russia
*Ukraine Deputy Prime Minister: Ukraine Has Proposed to Russia That Badly Wounded Defenders in Azovstal Plant Be Swapped for Russian Prisoners of War, No Agreement Has Been Reached, Talks Continue
*Ukraine Deputy Prime Minister: Gov’t Is Working on Different Options to End Siege of Azovstal, Says None of Them Are Perfect
*Ukraine Deputy Prime Minister: Ukraine Has Proposed to Russia That Badly Wounded Defenders in Azovstal Plant Be Swapped for Russian Prisoners of War, No Agreement Has Been Reached, Talks Continue
*Ukraine Deputy Prime Minister: Gov’t Is Working on Different Options to End Siege of Azovstal, Says None of Them Are Perfect
Of more interest is the number of spare barrels supplied(not seen a number on that? ). Each gun barrel can only fire a certain number of rounds before it needs replacement. So, even if the US gave Ukraine a million rounds unless they have sufficient spare barrels it would not be safe to fire them all.
That's interesting. How large are these numbers typically for artillery? Showing my ignorance here, but I'd rather assumed that parts like that wouldn't need replacing during a single deployment.
Absolutely. I was purely commenting on the scale of warfare not the effectiveness.
The British bombardment was largely ineffective. For a start a significant number of shells were anti-personnel shrapnel which were useless against the German bunkers where all the soldiers were hiding.
It was discussed earlier in this thread that more tnt has been dropped on Ukraine than was used during the whole of ww2... Or words to that effect.
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