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RedDanDoc said:
Do people genuinely believe this crap ? :rolleyes:
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Did you see the Donbass people make war against Kiev? Because all I've seen is them defending themselves against aggression from the west. I seriously wonder if you are genuinely surprised or just acting.

There can be a coup in Kiev, but others elsewhere in the country aren't allowed to refuse to submit to those who headed that coup? And the solution is to bomb them instead of entering into talks with them?

That's what I call crap, and evil too.


areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Sorry guys, you got me...

I get paid 10 rubles a month to spend countless hours on ocUK talking "pro-putin" nonsense.

It is big money here, what can I say. :(
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They must have you confused with the Maidan protestors who got paid anything from $50 upwards a day.

The following statements from Putin in 2012 are interesting and pertinent to the discussion about Nemtsov's assassination:

 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Glory to Russia :mad::mad::mad:

Comrade Putin is da best.

Da!

I seem to be an EU patriot more than anything, but that doesnt go with your Putin-Fan-Boi nonsense... lets shuffle that under the carpet.
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Compared to what you've accused me of in the past, it's pretty light. You're obviously bi-lingual, one of your languages is Russian, you're a bit homophobic, have an interest in events in Russia, and always seem to be a proponent of the Kremlin's foreign policy. I don't recall reading any posts of yours that would suggest a 'pro-EU' viewpoint, unless being anti-American counts the same as pro-EU.
 
Danny75 said:
Did you see the Donbass people make war against Kiev? Because all I've seen is them defending themselves against aggression from the west. I seriously wonder if you are genuinely surprised or just acting.

There can be a coup in Kiev, but others elsewhere in the country aren't allowed to refuse to submit to those who headed that coup? And the solution is to bomb them instead of entering into talks with them?

That's what I call crap, and evil too.
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I didn't see a coup in Kiev but I did see a president abandon his post and go skulking off to Russia with his pockets full.

Anyhow I cant really discuss anything with you as you are just a Shill. Shame on you and a shame for your countrymen.
 
scorza said:
Compared to what you've accused me of in the past, it's pretty light. You're obviously bi-lingual, one of your languages is Russian, you're a bit homophobic, have an interest in events in Russia, and always seem to be a proponent of the Kremlin's foreign policy. I don't recall reading any posts of yours that would suggest a 'pro-EU' viewpoint, unless being anti-American counts the same as pro-EU.
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Remind me of what I accused you, cause I feel like this is first time I see you.. :p

Since when I was homophobic? I hold the view that Russian homophobia situation is total fad made by Putin to move away general populations opinion from internal issues.

I am pretty sure I have expressed this view here somewhere...

By no means I am homophobic, I just dont care, had a good laugh at few marches here in Chicago... very interesting indeed, not at one point I had "hate gays" feeling.

By no means I am Anti-American, I live here... :D:D by choice. I just do not agree with US foreign policy along-side millions of Americans.

At the same time I admire their ability to bend the whole world over to follow their rules... I dont think its right, doesnt stop me from admiring their ability to do so.
 
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The way I see it,

I am personally not a good person, I have caused a lot of grief and pain to others in order to get what I want...

Just as USA and the whole Western world essentially, our success is built on bones and misery of countless others.

Difference is that, I admit that I am a bad person and I understand the consequences of my selfish-actions for others.

The Western World seem to think that we are the "Angels" of the planet, and that we are doing everyone a big favor by existing... Moreover, anyone who even considers being as "Angellic" as us, gets punished immediately for being the "bad guys".

I am sorry to break it to you, but you dont get where we are currently, by being "right" or "good".

For you to buy a shirt from Primark for £2 someone has to work 24 hours to earn a pound making that shirt... Then, if someone else tries to do the same, you prevent them by force, shame them across the world, all while continuing doing what you were doing before. Moreover, you give yourself a pat on the back for being the "world police" and stopping un-fair practices... all while whipping a child in a sweat-shop to make you more £2 shirts, truly believing that you are a walking saint.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
The way I see it,

I am personally not a good person, I have caused a lot of grief and pain to others in order to get what I want...

Just as USA and the whole Western world essentially, our success is built on bones and misery of countless others.

Difference is that, I admit that I am a bad person and I understand the consequences of my selfish-actions for others.

The Western World seem to think that we are the "Angels" of the planet, and that we are doing everyone a big favor by existing... Moreover, anyone who even considers being as "Angellic" as us, gets punished immediately for being the "bad guys".

I am sorry to break it to you, but you dont get where we are currently, by being "right" or "good".

For you to buy a shirt from Primark for £2 someone has to work 24 hours to earn a pound making that shirt... Then, if someone else tries to do the same, you prevent them by force, shame them across the world, all while continuing doing what you were doing before. Moreover, you give yourself a pat on the back for being the "world police" and stopping un-fair practices... all while whipping a child in a sweat-shop to make you more £2 shirts, truly believing that you are a walking saint.
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Your pathetic, are you like 14 years old ?
 
ubersonic said:
It's worth noting they still owe 2.3bn of the 4.5bn they owed last year, having paid off 1.45bn and the EU acting as guarantor for another 1.65 to make sure the gas stays flowing.
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Right so 2.3 bn as I said. I'm using gazproms own statements. Its a historic debt which they are paying off as they are currently paying upfront for gas.

However as far as them supplying gas to rebel areas and charging Kiev, that's not how the network works, the rebel areas are actually supplied by the Ukrainian hub which is supplied by Russia, the reason Kiev is still supplying gas to the rebels is because when they cut it off Russia threw the toys out of the pram so they turned it back on to avoid anything that could make them look like bad guys in case Russia decided the east needed some US style "freedom".
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL5N0VT3SI20150219?irpc=932

Nope, I too believed it to be a central hub (previous post) but there are actually stations in the border.

, gas company Gazprom said it had started supplies via the Prokhorovka and Platovo pumping stations on the border with east Ukraine.
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He declined to comment further, saying the additional supplies were being shipped under an existing contract with Ukrainian state company Naftogaz
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So straight to the rebels, paid for by Ukraine since they are now paying upfront for their gas.
No humanitarian Russian saviour.
 
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Just as USA and the whole Western world essentially, our success is built on bones and misery of countless others.
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Still peanuts compared to what atrocities commies commited in the name of their sick ideology. Stalin himself had millions of own people murdered. Get this into your empty skull comrade and **** off.
 
maltrabob said:
Still peanuts compared to what atrocities commies commited in the name of their sick ideology. Stalin himself had millions of own people murdered. Get this into your empty skull comrade and **** off.
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I know, we on other hand we much more humane, cause we never did that to our own people.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crimes-ignore-atrocities

Elkins reveals that the British detained not 80,000 Kikuyu, as the official histories maintain, but almost the entire population of one and a half million people, in camps and fortified villages. There, thousands were beaten to death or died from malnutrition, typhoid, tuberculosis and dysentery. In some camps almost all the children died.
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1950`s

10 percent of the entire Boer population died in the British camps—a figure that gets even worse when you realize it includes 22,000 children.
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Boear war

Harsh and brutal, these centers housed the sort of horrors that would make Kim Jong-Un feel ill. Detainees were stripped naked and kept in refrigerated cells, encouraging frostbite and pneumonia. Guards would stub their cigarettes out on prisoner’s skin and beatings were common. But perhaps worst of all was the sexual humiliation. Locals who had been detained could expect to have their genitals crushed by guards’ hands, or to be forced to sit naked on a metal pole; their weight forcing it into their anus. By 1966, an Amnesty report on these abuses had caused global outrage. Faced with international condemnation, the British apologized. They then kept right on using the torture centers for another full year.
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1960`s

In the 1950s, the people of Kenya decided they wanted their nation back. Unfortunately, the people they wanted it back from just happened to be the same guys responsible for every other atrocity on this list. Fearing a countrywide rebellion, the British rounded up 1.5 million people and placed them in concentration camps. What happened in these camps will turn your stomach.Under slogans like “labor and freedom” and other variations on ” Arbeit macht frei,” inmates were worked to death as slave labor filling in mass graves. Random executions were not-uncommon and the use of torture was widespread. Men were anally raped with knives. Women had their breasts mutilated and cut off. Eyes were gouged out and ears cut off and skin lacerated with coiled barbed wire. People were castrated with pliers then sodomized by guards. Interrogation involved stuffing a detainee’s mouth with mud and stamping on his throat until he passed out or died. Survivors were sometimes burned alive. The official body count is under 2,000, but more reliable estimates place the total dead in the tens or hundreds of thousands. Most of them were civilians or children, detained on vague, trumped-up charges of aiding the rebels. And it was all for nothing. Kenya was declared independent in 1963. In using those camps, the British lost both their African outpost and their souls.
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Kenya

In 1943, a deadly famine swept the Bengal region of modern East India and Bangladesh. Between one and three million people died in a tragedy that was completely preventable. At the time, the extent of suffering was put down to an incompetent British government too busy dealing with a war to look after its empire properly. But in 2010 a new book came out claiming the lack of famine relief was deliberate and that the deaths of those millions had been intentionally engineered by one man: Winston Churchill.
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This is just British Empire mind you....


http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/

Also we are so up for some democracy!

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill
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You are clutching at straws with the last one:

"Bengal had been a food importer for the last decade. Calcutta was normally supplied by Burma. The British Empire had suffered a disastrous defeat at Singapore in 1942 against the Japanese military, which then proceeded to invade Burma in the same year."

But you have to combine all of those crisis to even come close to Holodomor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
During the Holodomor, which is also known as the "Terror-Famine in Ukraine" and "Famine-Genocide in Ukraine", millions of citizens of the Ukrainian SSR, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine
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Not really sure why you are bringing Great Britians history into this as a means of justification, this is afterall a Russia/Ukraine issue/topic.
 
SarGara said:
You are clutching at straws with the last one:

"Bengal had been a food importer for the last decade. Calcutta was normally supplied by Burma. The British Empire had suffered a disastrous defeat at Singapore in 1942 against the Japanese military, which then proceeded to invade Burma in the same year."

But you have to combine all of those crisis to even come close to Holodomor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor


Not really sure why you are bringing Great Britians history into this as a means of justification, this is afterall a Russia/Ukraine issue/topic.
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As Joseph Stalin said "One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
I know, we on other hand we much more humane, cause we never did that to our own people.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crimes-ignore-atrocities



1950`s



Boear war



1960`s



Kenya



This is just British Empire mind you....


http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/

Also we are so up for some democracy!
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Show me a large, powerful nation that never killed or oppressed anyone and I will show you a poor researcher. Sadly, tragically, the dark side of human nature is indelible and there will always be atrocities committed by those in power: whether that power is through control of the state or control of a firearm.
 
maltrabob said:
The symptoms seen in Litvinenko appeared consistent with an administered activity of approximately 2 GBq (50 mCi) which corresponds to about 10 micrograms of 210Po. That is 200 times the median lethal dose of around 238 μCi or 50 nanograms in the case of ingestion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko#cite_note-18
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No one had questioned the lethality of the administered dose. N said it was a barrow load of highly radioactive material. I said it was a tiny pellet. !0 micrograms is nowhere near a barrow load.
 
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