Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

maltrabob · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:35

Nutella33 said:
Second vice news part is up on that note as well.

Even though those are aggressor soldiers dying, it is sad watching their mothers mourning and getting no information about the circumstances of their death and not getting any support as well. Long known fact - human life has no value for Russian government.

DisrupTor75 · 3 Mar 2015 at 23:04

maltrabob said:
human life has no value for Russian government.

The same can be said about the US with their drone strikes and the "collateral damage" they cause.

Russia's no saint but no one else is either, none of them have the moral high ground.

RedDanDoc · 3 Mar 2015 at 23:22

DisrupTor75 said:
The same can be said about the US with their drone strikes and the "collateral damage" they cause.

Russia's no saint but no one else is either, none of them have the moral high ground.

I think he meant in regard of treatment and standard of living of it's own Citizens.

maltrabob · 3 Mar 2015 at 23:39

Yes, that's how I meant it.

RoboCod · 4 Mar 2015 at 00:38

DisrupTor75 said:
The same can be said about the US with their drone strikes and the "collateral damage" they cause.

Russia's no saint but no one else is either, none of them have the moral high ground.

There is this perception that RPASs are flying around laying waste to lands and decimating populations, when in fact they have a tiny blast radius compared to any other form of ordnance. Not only that but the shot can be aborted after firing and diverted to a pre determined "safe zone". The alternative to such precise tactical targeting is troops on the ground.

ubersonic · 4 Mar 2015 at 08:27

Captain Planet said:
The alternative to such precise tactical targeting is troops on the ground.

So you can either have drones indiscriminately killing civilians or US marines doing it, well at least the drones don't drive round in pickups drinking BBQ sauce and yelling Murica! in their spare time XD

Harlequin · 4 Mar 2015 at 08:37

take off and nuke the site from orbit - just to be sure

RoboCod · 4 Mar 2015 at 08:57

ubersonic said:
So you can either have drones indiscriminately killing civilians or US marines doing it, well at least the drones don't drive round in pickups drinking BBQ sauce and yelling Murica! in their spare time XD

Yes, that is exactly what is happening, indiscriminate massacring of innocent people. Hell, it's a good job the marines aren't there also, they'd be pretty peeved at the lack of civilians to murder since all the "drones" have already got to them.

Also, "drone" :rolleyes:

ubersonic · 4 Mar 2015 at 09:01

Captain Planet said:
Also, "drone"

Pretty sure the US have more than one, even Ukraine has multiple.

RoboCod · 4 Mar 2015 at 09:27

Terminal_Boy · 4 Mar 2015 at 09:31

DisrupTor75 said:
The same can be said about the US with their drone strikes and the "collateral damage" they cause.

Russia's no saint but no one else is either, none of them have the moral high ground.

The moral high ground is always the best place to site your artillery.

xxalxx · 4 Mar 2015 at 10:56

Terminal_Boy said:
The moral high ground is always the best place to site your artillery.

Or your SAM's ...

Nutella33 · 4 Mar 2015 at 10:56

ubersonic said:
Pretty sure the US have more than one, even Ukraine has multiple.

He's being a snob

the official british term is RPAS. It wasn't a comment on the numbers.

Even though those are aggressor soldiers dying, it is sad watching their mothers mourning and getting no information about the circumstances of their death and not getting any support as well. Long known fact - human life has no value for Russian government.

Oh naturally, no matter what side you take its still a human tragedy. Its not looking good for the miners in donbass either.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31725243

RoboCod · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:08

I hate the term drone, when used it implies ignorance. Funnily enough it's the term often banded around in sensationalist news articles.

ubersonic · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:19

Captain Planet said:
I hate the term drone, when used it implies ignorance. Funnily enough it's the term often banded around in sensationalist news articles.

That's because it's been the common name for UAV's for decades, so that's what people know them as, if you start calling them UAV's or whatever the British acronym was then people will get confused.

OT: Kiev have reintroduced some of their stored Tu-141/143 reconnaissance drones back into service (despite their age they are still very capable and have excellent cameras).

Nutella33 · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:31

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LZ2FV20150303?irpc=932

American commander giving numbers that compare roughly to Ukraine's claims of numbers of Russian troops involved. Just short of 100k in or near theatre

Nulir · 4 Mar 2015 at 13:21

Nutella33 said:
Second vice news part is up on that note as well.

Thanks for this

Nutella33 · 4 Mar 2015 at 14:18

Bit of a turn up for the books

http://tass.ru/en/russia/780906?updateupdate

The car sought in connection with the murder of Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov belongs to a federal state unitary enterprise (FSUE) providing services to the Finance Ministry, Goznak, the Russian state body that prints banknotes, and other agencies, the Finance Ministry said on Wednesday.

nulir said:
Thanks for this

No problem!

RoboCod · 4 Mar 2015 at 14:29

ubersonic said:
That's because it's been the common name for UAV's for decades, so that's what people know them as, if you start calling them UAV's or whatever the British acronym was then people will get confused.

OT: Kiev have reintroduced some of their stored Tu-141/143 reconnaissance drones back into service (despite their age they are still very capable and have excellent cameras).

no they haven't

But just so you know, it's like calling a car a "brum brum".

Jokester · 4 Mar 2015 at 17:32

Nutella33 said:
Bit of a turn up for the books

You know what this is called? An orgy of evidence, so much evidence pointing to a regime act, that in all likelihood it is actually been staged to look like that. Or it could be a double bluff, because what are the Russian's going to say first? That the CIA made it look that way.