Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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maltrabob said:
That was very obvious even without Putin admitting to it. Another reason for trolling russophiles to get real and start using their own opinion instead of that of a russian propaganda.
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The Germans seem to believe the Russian side of it more than NATO, so who are the ones spreading the most propaganda?
http://www.spiegel.de/international...ressive-nato-stance-on-ukraine-a-1022193.html

It was quiet in eastern Ukraine last Wednesday. Indeed, it was another quiet day in an extended stretch of relative calm. The battles between the Ukrainian army and the pro-Russian separatists had largely stopped and heavy weaponry was being withdrawn. The Minsk cease-fire wasn't holding perfectly, but it was holding.

On that same day, General Philip Breedlove, the top NATO commander in Europe, stepped before the press in Washington. Putin, the 59-year-old said, had once again "upped the ante" in eastern Ukraine -- with "well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery" having been sent to the Donbass. "What is clear," Breedlove said, "is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day."

German leaders in Berlin were stunned. They didn't understand what Breedlove was talking about. And it wasn't the first time. Once again, the German government, supported by intelligence gathered by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, did not share the view of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR).

The pattern has become a familiar one. For months, Breedlove has been commenting on Russian activities in eastern Ukraine, speaking of troop advances on the border, the amassing of munitions and alleged columns of Russian tanks. Over and over again, Breedlove's numbers have been significantly higher than those in the possession of America's NATO allies in Europe. As such, he is playing directly into the hands of the hardliners in the US Congress and in NATO.

The German government is alarmed. Are the Americans trying to thwart European efforts at mediation led by Chancellor Angela Merkel? Sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda." Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier even found it necessary recently to bring up Breedlove's comments with NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg.
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Is anyone else mildly shocked at how easily the plane that was shot down has been seemingly forgotten? Seems like it's just one of those ugly events that's been brushed under the carpet and not spoken about. :confused:
 
DannyDrama said:
Is anyone else mildly shocked at how easily the plane that was shot down has been seemingly forgotten? Seems like it's just one of those ugly events that's been brushed under the carpet and not spoken about. :confused:
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The dutch investigation is being released in a month or so. Can't really say or do anything till then.
 
Zethor said:
Poroshenko is correct. The dictators were buddies, they split Poland fairly but then Hitler turned on Stalin, Stalin won with the help of the West and his reward was a huge chunk of Europe which was set back 50 years compared to the West. It will probably be hundreds of years before the Russians have friends in Eastern Europe, for what they've done.
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Well according to Ukraine PM, USSR invaded Germany and Ukraine during WW2...

So yeah....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-i--EAfBPw
 
thep02 said:
No it doesn't it is the accepted vernacular and is used every day on the news, you were being a snob.
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It really isn't. If the media want to use the term then fine, but it's very incorrect. I mean, since when was the media the definitive word? Lol
 
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Zethor said:
What he actually said was that the USSR occupied Germany and Ukraine, which is correct. If your source of information is RT you may as well not bother posting, it makes you look silly.
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He clearly said

"We all remember very well the Soviet Invasion of Germany and Ukraine".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lng1FFJesYU

Your point fails.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
He clearly said

"We all remember very well the Soviet Invasion of Germany and Ukraine".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lng1FFJesYU

Your point fails.
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My point does not fail, your comprehension, on the other hand, does. I suggest reading a translation of the actual conversation, rather than propaganda garbage on Youtube. France, West Germany, Belgium etc. freely chose their own paths after the war, which make the US and its Western allies liberators. The countries in Eastern Europe were not so lucky, they all underwent forced regime changes under the treat of the USSR army and they were de facto territories occupied by the Soviet Union. Therefore, the Russians were not liberators, they were invaders. This is exactly what Yatsenyuk was talking about and it is a factual claim.
 
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