Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Bazzards said:
Can Ukraine just mine the entire northern border with Belurus? Stop any insurgence?
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It's all well and good mining it initially but what about in 5yrs, a decade, two. They would need to be very strategic and record carefully not to have issues in future and ideally safe corridors and mine in areas that couldn't be resource or population strategic in decades to coming. Mining large areas is not the answer I don't believe.
 
Funny as I posted a while back that Poland could just counter-station troops on the border to prevent Belarus from going in against Ukraine, then it's a case of "your move".

Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Curlyriff said:
It's all well and good mining it initially but what about in 5yrs, a decade, two. They would need to be very strategic and record carefully not to have issues in future and ideally safe corridors and mine in areas that couldn't be resource or population strategic in decades to coming. Mining large areas is not the answer I don't believe.
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Mining the **** out of an area and dealing with the problems later is preferable to losing your country.
 
I'm getting this off my chest here, but after another bad morning of infrastructure damage I am really worried Ukraine's ability to sustain itself -- especially morale, which is so, so important -- as its infrastructure falls apart. There's only so many "quick" repairs you can do to energy generation and distribution... which is exactly why Russia's spending all its efforts doing it, sacrificing soldiers on the front lines as a mere distraction. Which is why I think another ground attack from Belarus could come, no matter how suicidal that might seem.

I hope I'm just letting my pessimism get out of control, but it's easy to be strong when the lights are on, clean water comes out of the tap, and your toilets flush. Which is where Russia has the advantage... so many of them don't have these things at the best of times.

Right, I'm off to stare at a rainbow or something to try and lift my mood.
 
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Andrew_McP said:
I'm getting this off my chest here, but after another bad morning of infrastructure damage I am really worried Ukraine's ability to sustain itself -- especially morale, which is so, so important -- as its infrastructure falls apart. There's only so many "quick" repairs you can do to energy generation and distribution... which is exactly why Russia's spending all its efforts doing it, sacrificing soldiers on the front lines as a mere distraction. Which is why I think another ground attack from Belarus could come, no matter how suicidal that might seem.

I hope I'm just letting my pessimism get out of control, but it's easy to be strong when the lights are on, clean water comes out of the tap, and your toilets flush. Which is where Russia has the advantage... so many of them don't have these things at the best of times.

Right, I'm off to stare at a rainbow or something to try and lift my mood.
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Well it is looking like if Belarus tries anything, Poland is going to respond.
 
Tephnos said:
Well it is looking like if Belarus tries anything, Poland is going to respond.
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I think Poland is "only" doing a very good thing by making Belarus think twice about how its forces are distributed. I'm really not sure there's a possibility of a NATO nation making an unprovoked attack on Belarus if they go into Ukraine... though goodness knows I'm reaching the stage where WW3 is almost preferable to having our faces rubbed in Vladimir Putin's excrement while we sit with our hands behind our backs.

This year has made me realise that, despite our pretences at civilisation, in 500 years' time historians will look back at this era as no different to all the other highly flawed eras of mankind... Assuming, that is, cockroaches have historians by then. Might be a few hundred millennia too soon!
 
Andrew_McP said:
I think Poland is "only" doing a very good thing by making Belarus think twice about how its forces are distributed. I'm really not sure there's a possibility of a NATO nation making an unprovoked attack on Belarus if they go into Ukraine... though goodness knows I'm reaching the stage where WW3 is almost preferable to having our faces rubbed in Vladimir Putin's excrement while we sit with our hands behind our backs.

This year has made me realise that, despite our pretences at civilisation, in 500 years' time historians will look back at this era as no different to all the other highly flawed eras of mankind... Assuming, that is, cockroaches have historians by then. Might be a few hundred millennia too soon!
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I can easily see Poland getting involved on a personal level if Belarus tries to gang up on Ukraine. Very much a 'if Belarus crosses the border, so do we' moment. Belarus doesn't have nukes, so they're free game. Russia won't have the resources to help them at all if it happens.
 
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Tephnos said:
I can easily see Poland getting involved on a personal level if Belarus tries to gang up on Ukraine. Very much a 'if Belarus crosses the border, so do we' moment. Belarus doesn't have nukes, so they're free game. Russia won't have the resources to help them at all if it happens.
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I mean Poland can eliminate the majority of any military infrastructure from a distance in a few days before even stepping foot there. Poland being willing to do this should be deterrent enough hopefully. And unlike Russia, can actually aim at appropriate infrastructure.
 
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What's the historical context from Poland being so keen to attack Belarus? I understand Poland being keen to protect it's borders and offer support to Ukraine but not the chomping at the bit to attack Belarus.
 
Andrew_McP said:
I think Poland is "only" doing a very good thing by making Belarus think twice about how its forces are distributed. I'm really not sure there's a possibility of a NATO nation making an unprovoked attack on Belarus if they go into Ukraine...
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Well, it wouldn't be unprovoked if Belarus invades and Poland comes to Ukraine's aid; there are strong links there, parts of Western Ukraine used to be part of Poland (and Lithuania) and Ukraine has friendly links with Poland.

If Russian and Belarussian troops were to try and cut off arms supplies then it would be the route down from the Polish border that they'd be looking to attack, which is going to be a legit concern for Poland.
 
Bluecube said:
What's the historical context from Poland being so keen to attack Belarus? I understand Poland being keen to protect it's borders and offer support to Ukraine but not the chomping at the bit to attack Belarus.
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From historical point of vue for Polish peaople all USSR in time of WW2 was all Rssians (and they was killing us during the war) but that was long time ago but lots of us poles still remember this.
 
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