Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Angilion said:
Then you should seek some help. Getting joy from watching random strangers being killed or seeing the remains afterwards is a mental health problem. A potentially dangerous one.
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These are not "random" strangers. These particular "strangers" are in the process of invading their neighbors using violent, deadly methods.
 
NinjaCool said:
Latest British Defence Intelligence update focusing on Bakhmut
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Everything thrown at Bakhmut for months and they’re still struggling to take it and at a suggested huge cost too. Funny how we thought Russia’s conventional army was a threat.
 
Hagar said:
There but by the grace of birthplace, against corrupted politics and police force, forced mobilisation or conscription and economic circumstance. You too would be cowering in a muddy trench, knees knocking, teeth chattering.
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Absolutely.

I can't beleive with the numbers involved that there aren't a significant number of ordinary people who have been forced into a very very bad place by no more reason than being born in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
ianh said:
Yeap!

Some people just physically can not (or will not) see how genuinely sick they are. Just imagine that they might have a partner and kids and may seem like the most normal person to talk to, yet mentally they are so broken that they love seeing these videos just to get some gratification and then feel that the behaviour is so normal that it's OK to boast about it behind the anonymity of being online.

I mean just as a litmus test - in their post simply replace the words Orcs with Jews, Blacks, Women, Gays or any other word and see how the reaction to their would be different. Yet just because a single person in charge has made a decision that ends up with some random 19yo from Moscow getting drafted into the Army and end up in the Ukraine, it makes the poster believe that their post is perfectly OK and they know that others will happily cheer them on.

I bet they would say that they are a "good person" or a "moral person who believes in right/wrong" too if asked.
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Thats a lovely horse you got there must be fun looking down from it all the time...
I'm sure there are some genuinely decent people amongst the hordes of Russian invaders. However lets not forget the sheer amount of barbaric behavior being left in the wake of Russian forces. Rape, theft, kidnapping/forced removal, murder/execution, torture just to name a few. Thats not just isolated incidents, that appears to be the norm across all Russian held territory. I dont want to imagine the horrors that are uncovered when the likes of Mariupol are liberated.
As long as these soldiers carrying out these actions remain complicit, the blame dosnt land squarely at the feet of Putin.
As far as I see it... I will shed no tear for a Russian soldier as long as they continue to violate the law/rules of war and humanity. That dosnt mean I take pleasure in watching kill cam footage. I have stopped watching majority of that sort of thing. However, I can definitely understand why some people do.
 
D.P. said:
you need to seek psychiatric help if you are dehumanizing Russians and taking joy in their death.
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Does this hold true for any Ukrainians that feel this way too? If so then their mental health sector could begin to feel a little stretched considering probably 99% of their population feels something similar.
 
Twinz said:
These are not "random" strangers. These particular "strangers" are in the process of invading their neighbors using violent, deadly methods.
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They are random strangers to the people gaining pleasure from watching their preferred snuff videos. Those people must be delighted to have found a way to "justify" their pleasures.

The same combination of dehumanisation and pleasure in the suffering and death of others is what's found in the most savage of war criminals. The biggest difference between those people and the people they're using as "justification" is circumstances. I've no doubt they'd be raping and torturing and murdering if they were in a war and could get away with it. Or at least that they'd want to do so. The mentality is identical.

Many of the Russians invading Ukraine don't really know what's happening or what has happened. They don't have access to information other than the propaganda they've been fed. They've been told they're defending their country from an attack by NATO Nazis. That they're liberators, not conquerors. Also, if they express any dissent they'll probably have an "accident". In modern Russia, a person can fall out of a window when they're in a tent on the ground. Or maybe the whole "accident" thing will be dispensed with and they'll be beaten to death with a hammer. Openly. On video. For some people to watch with joy.

Many of the Russians invading Ukraine are conscripts. Stripped of their freedom. Enslaved. Forced to fight in a war not of their choosing. Probably to live in vile conditions for a short while and then die because their masters don't even care enough to equip them for survival. While some random strangers to them gain pleasure from their deaths.

Most importantly of all, gaining pleasure from watching snuff videos is about the watcher, not the watched. Killing people is sometimes justified. But it should never be a source of joy. That's totally messed up, just plain wrong in the head.
 
Its a funny thing these videos showing Russians being killed. People can watch them and hopefully they aren't taking any enjoyment from watching people die. I remember back in the day with sites like Ogrish and live leak that showed AQ beheading videos and people used to almost get sexually excited in the comments. Watching too much of this stuff is not good for you IMO, becoming desensitised to such content is not healthy.
 
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Dis86 said:
Nothing stopping them surrendering. There's even a help line.
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Not like they can just walk across the frontline and surrender or necessarily leave their unit even to find a way - most of those who've surrendered are those driving armour sent out on recon, etc.
 
Rroff said:
Not like they can just walk across the frontline and surrender or necessarily leave their unit even to find a way - most of those who've surrendered are those driving armour sent out on recon, etc.
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Actually, that's precisely what many did according to the Ukrainians. Whole units were just raising the white flag and strolling across. In other instances they were arranging pick-ups from 'rest breaks' or medical breaks.
 
Dis86 said:
Actually, that's precisely what many did according to the Ukrainians. Whole units were just raising the white flag and strolling across. In other instances they were arranging pick-ups from 'rest breaks' or medical breaks.
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In some cases sure but whole units surrendering is more the exception - some are going to be able to slip away but many won't.

Also many aren't surrendering because they disagree with the war sadly but because they are out equipped compared to the forces they are fighting.
 
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Rroff said:
In some cases sure but whole units surrendering is more the exception - some are going to be able to slip away but many won't.

Also many aren't surrendering because they disagree with the war sadly but because they are out equipped compared to the forces they are fighting.
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And you've hit on a salient point there. They're not surrendering because they don't disagree with the war. So...****'em.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Its a funny thing these videos showing Russians being killed. People can watch them and hopefully they aren't taking any enjoyment from watching people die. I remember back in the day with sites like Ogrish and live leak that showed AQ beheading videos and people used to almost get sexually excited in the comments. Watching too much of this stuff is not good for you IMO, becoming desensitised to such content is not healthy.
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Slot of this content would normally be blocked on Twitter/YouTube but specifically because Russia is the enemy they've been allowing all sorts of content to remain
 
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