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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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True, but Poland instead of seeking a decent relationship with Russia, or at least a neutral stance between the west and russia, it holds a strong rhetoric and a hostile stance against them. Now i know that the russkies have given the Polish a hard time but so did and probably even worse ze Germans. Poland relies too much on help from the Alliance, if hell breaks loose the Russkies could reach Warsaw within 3 days. And as far alliances go, particularly the US, their record of keeping their word is questionable to say the least.
So i would have been very cautious with Russia, i understand that history plays its role in their relationship but reason should prevail.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/croatia-withdraw-military-from-nato-conflict-ukraine-russia/
So the President pulls all their troops out of the NATO taskforce in Eastern Europe, for reasons, and then the Croatian Foreign Minister comes out and says
So the President pulls all their troops out of the NATO taskforce in Eastern Europe, for reasons, and then the Croatian Foreign Minister comes out and says
Reason did prevail, no NATO country has been invaded and the west has been a massive boost to Poland.
What does Russia offer other than misery and a mad man?
Russia today is not the Russia of the 70-80's they do not have the manpower to do the old Soviet mass attacks, NATO would stop them in thier tracks before they reached Warsaw.
Looks like someone high up is getting some extra money from mother Russia.
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The west does offer plenty of misery too, go ask the balkans or the middle east. Who's the mad man, they guy who took Russia from an absolute joke to world power again? Russia isnt the USSR in terms of manpower but they have a standing army 100's times stronger than most European armies, i am not even taking into consideration the nuclear arsenal. I am not sure if russia attacked Poland the alliance would strike back, i have my doubts. All i am saying is that Poland could be better off strategically building bridges between the east and the west, not taking them down. But thats just my humble opinion.
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Yep and we've got one of the very worst.
I don't really see it as shocker, nobody really want's to put their neck on the line for Ukraine. But Boris is quite happy to put ours on the line it seems.
Poland should stick it's army on the German border and put out some press release about the worrying signs from Germany
Maybe it might stop Germany from nicking Poland's top footballers who knows
The man who hasn't made them a world power and is currently on course to screw them up economically and body bag wise.
Russian forces are on the whole antiquated, they have a few quality items but can't afford them so I don't think you can say they are so much greater then European forces outside of a greater number of obsolete tanks and aircraft.
But...Poland hasn't had misery from NATO or the EU.
Also the middle East is not Europe and maybe you should check on Russian goings on in that region for starters.
What Russia needs is Putin out and hopefully to never have another empire building insecure idiot.
Does Russia have a bigger military spending budget than the UK yet? in recent years UK had slightly higher everytime I checked.
Russia either gets a lot of stuff for the money or has very little and show off prototypes a lot like it's standard gear.
remember that time the soviets flew the same plane in a circle for some parade so the world thought they had more than a couple of them.... it's still the same.
Russias not a world military power that can take on multiple countries, it's all lies and propaganda and the world buys it or plays along
They spend slightly more than us, like only a couple of billion. The kicker though is we spend 2.something % of our GDP on the military whereas they spend over 4% of theirs (more than the USA), IIRC the only countries that pump more GDP into their military are Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Was the M-4 bomber if I remember right, they only had 18 but flew ten of them in the parade twice to give the impression they had 28. This lead the USA to believe the USSR had many more nuclear bombers than they did and so they went into hyper production mode to try and catch up for several years.
Depends on the countries, they would have no issue facerolling Ukraine, Georgia and say Estonia all at the same time. But Major NATO/EU countries are another matter.
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That would be Pakistan, not India
At least get your racist joke right.
At least get your racist joke right.
2019 and NATO woke up to China being the boogie man. Russia dropped down the list.
Can Russia - yes, however technology may appear “crude” it does the job for less money. China may help them out financially for putting the squeeze in th EU helping drive EU nations into borrowing from Chinese investors.
China has more domestic issues to worry about. And I suspect they are watching US response under Biden.
Both countries may opt for ruining the target economy. Russia still needs a pretence it justify action, China doesn’t.
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I can't see China getting involved in what's be strictly a western affair beyond a few calls for peace or whatever. There already hurting from trade traffis and getting involved in a dispute on the other side of the globe for almost no political or economic benefit makes no sense.
Russia and China's only friends in the world are other dictatorships. Friends who would stab them in the back the first chance they get. They wont help each other if it looks risky, which this is.
China needs the west to buy their badly made crap. Russia has nothing except gas, which we are slowly getting rid of. They have backed themselves in to a corner due to the leader wanting to play macho man.
China needs the west to buy their badly made crap. Russia has nothing except gas, which we are slowly getting rid of. They have backed themselves in to a corner due to the leader wanting to play macho man.
A lot of the high-tech stuff gets used up in the opening blows of a major conflict, in a drawn out war it will largely come down to who can keep the most antiquated/easily made and maintained stuff going and the ability to keep their manufacturing going and supplied. And Russia does have a lot of mothballed, still serviceable stock. Their active forces though are stretched just to cover their peace time mandates - the bare minimum of force to convincingly invade Ukraine would require running other interests/defending other borders with skeleton crews - they couldn't go to war against multiple other nations without it being telegraphed long in advance.
As for the faking stuff, etc. we do the same - run a lot of vehicles without their full combat package, etc. try and cheap out and run vehicles without a full armour package tanking on reputation alone, etc. etc.
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