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Just when you think Russia can't do anything that will surprise or sickening you any further then it already has you stumble across articles like this.

www.theguardian.com

Russians accused of burning bodies at Kherson landfill

Residents and workers say occupying forces used site to burn bodies of fallen Russian soldiers
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

No body no payout. No payout no Lada.
 
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I wonder what the priority is for Ukraine I'm terms of counter offensives. You would think going south and threatening Crimea could potentially end this whole war, I can't see how Putin could survive losing Crimea even with his power base. Cutting the Russian's off by taking back territory in Luhansk would be easier as the area is less developed.
 
Kremlin Says Putin Decree on Response to Oil Price Cap Is Still Expected This Week

Ukrainian Brigadier General Oleksiy Gromov:
- Russia Wants to Turn Ukraine War Into a “Long Confrontation”
- Russia Is Using Territory of Belarus to Train New Divisions
- The Likelihood of a Military Operation Being Launched From Territory of Belarus Remains Low
- Asked About Possibility of a New Year Ceasefire, Ukrainian General Says There Can Be a Full Ceasefire Only When All Occupiers Have Gone
 
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Freddie1980 said:
Just when you think Russia can't do anything that will surprise or sickening you any further then it already has you stumble across articles like this.

www.theguardian.com

Russians accused of burning bodies at Kherson landfill

Residents and workers say occupying forces used site to burn bodies of fallen Russian soldiers
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

No body no payout. No payout no Lada.
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Lada? Last I saw they were handing out cakes to the parents of fallen soldiers by way of compensation..
 
Freddie1980 said:
I wonder what the priority is for Ukraine I'm terms of counter offensives. You would think going south and threatening Crimea could potentially end this whole war, I can't see how Putin could survive losing Crimea even with his power base. Cutting the Russian's off by taking back territory in Luhansk would be easier as the area is less developed.
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The obvious thing to do would be to push south and sever the land bridge to Crimea and getting the Kerch Bridge out of action again. You don't really want to do the obvious thing though.

Crimea is quite a large area (bigger than Wales) it could take a very long time to fight through that area.
 
Turn said:
Kremlin Says Putin Decree on Response to Oil Price Cap Is Still Expected This Week

Ukrainian Brigadier General Oleksiy Gromov:
- Russia Wants to Turn Ukraine War Into a “Long Confrontation”
- Russia Is Using Territory of Belarus to Train New Divisions
- The Likelihood of a Military Operation Being Launched From Territory of Belarus Remains Low
- Asked About Possibility of a New Year Ceasefire, Ukrainian General Says There Can Be a Full Ceasefire Only When All Occupiers Have Gone
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So basically a wall then russia will simply keep sending over long range missiles.
 
I_M_Weasel said:
Crimea is quite a large area (bigger than Wales) it could take a very long time to fight through that area.
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Crimea is a large area but only connected to the mainland by a narrow bottleneck where Russia have been making their defences ready for the best part of a decade. Worse, even if they can punch through that first bottleneck there's another a few dozen kms further in. Then, even if they can punch through the rest of Crimea, Russia has a large military base at Sevastapol making an ideal place to mount a rearguard action from. Meanwhile, Ukraine doesn't have the sea power to mount an amphibious assault, whilst Russia does have the sea power to keep weapons and soldiers flowing into the region even with its bridge connection severed.

It's difficult to see how Ukraine can take Crimea back at all, let alone as an early target.
 
Mr Jack said:
Crimea is a large area but only connected to the mainland by a narrow bottleneck where Russia have been making their defences ready for the best part of a decade. Worse, even if they can punch through that first bottleneck there's another a few dozen kms further in. Then, even if they can punch through the rest of Crimea, Russia has a large military base at Sevastapol making an ideal place to mount a rearguard action from. Meanwhile, Ukraine doesn't have the sea power to mount an amphibious assault, whilst Russia does have the sea power to keep weapons and soldiers flowing into the region even with its bridge connection severed.

It's difficult to see how Ukraine can take Crimea back at all, let alone as an early target.
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Yes, I think it will be a slow seige; Ukraine will want to cut the water off again.
 
Mr Jack said:
Crimea is a large area but only connected to the mainland by a narrow bottleneck where Russia have been making their defences ready for the best part of a decade. Worse, even if they can punch through that first bottleneck there's another a few dozen kms further in. Then, even if they can punch through the rest of Crimea, Russia has a large military base at Sevastapol making an ideal place to mount a rearguard action from. Meanwhile, Ukraine doesn't have the sea power to mount an amphibious assault, whilst Russia does have the sea power to keep weapons and soldiers flowing into the region even with its bridge connection severed.

It's difficult to see how Ukraine can take Crimea back at all, let alone as an early target.
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They could wear them down if the US keeps supplying long range weapons though. Won’t be quick. It’s difficult to see an ‘out’ in this war.
 
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Putin: Russia's GDP Expected to Fall 2.5% in 2022
Putin: Given The Tectonic Changes In The World, New Economic Solutions Will Be Proposed
Putin: "Economic War" Is The West's Action Against Russia
Putin: Since The Beginning Of The Year, The Russian Ruble Has Become One Of The Most Powerful Currencies In The World
Putin: Russia's Public Finances Remain Stable
Putin: The Russian Government Will Continue To Maintain Responsible Financial And Macroeconomic Policies And Fulfill Social Obligations
Putin: The Reduction In Russia's Poverty Rate To 10.5% Is A Small But Important Step In The Right Direction
Putin: In 2023, Russia's Budget Will Have A Small Deficit, Accounting For About 2% Of GDP
Putin: Russian Goods Supplies To The EU Rose By 1.5 Times In First Nine Months Of The Year
Putin: Although Russia Faces Sanctions, We Will Only Move Forward
Putin: Russia Will Never Follow The Path Of Self-Enclosure And Self-Defense
Putin: Russia Must Raise Its Interaction With Foreign Partners To A New Level
Putin: Russia Will Look For More Promising Partners Than The EU
Putin: There Is Imbalance In Trade With EU
Putin: Russia Will Increase Gas Supplies to East
Putin: We Will Define Our Gas Prices for Europe at an Electronic Trading Platform
Putin: European Sanctions First Pushed Up Regional Inflation
Putin: An Electronic Gas Central Platform To Determine European Prices May Be Established In The Next Few Months
Putin: Russia Has Exported About 22 Million Tons Of Grain In The Past Five Months
Putin: Russia Exported Over 25 Million T Of Mineral Fertilisers In First 11 Months Of The Year
Putin: Russia Will Increase The Supply Of Liquefied Natural Gas By 70 Billion Cubic Meters
Putin: Russia Will Develop Ports And Pipeline Systems In Asia, And Plans To Increase The Supply Of Natural Gas To The East To 88 Billion Cubic Meters By 2030
Putin: Russia Will Continue To Supply Food To The Poorest Countries
Putin: An Electronic Trading Platform For Russian Energy Resources Facing The West Can Be Built Within The Next Three Months
Putin: The Ruble's Share In Russia's International Settlements Has Doubled To A Third In A Year
Putin: Russian Exports To EU Rose In 2022, Trade "Imbalanced"
Putin: Sanctions Open The Way To New Opportunities And Become A Factor Stimulating The Establishment Of A Fully Sovereign Economy
Putin: Strengthening Technological Sovereignty And Achieving Excess Growth In The Manufacturing Industry Is One Of The Goals For 2023
Putin: Russia Intends To Increase Grain Exports To 50 Million Tons By The End Of This Season
Putin: EU Gas Price Policy Is Crazy
Putin: Russia Does Not Need To Borrow Money From Abroad, Does Not Need To "Take The Path Of Being Manipulated"
Putin: The Creation Of Other Payment Mechanisms, Including Digital Currencies, Is On The Agenda
Putin: It's Necessary To Discontinue Special Mortgage Rate Gradually
Putin: Special Mortgage Rate Will Continue Until July 1 2024, But Rate Will Be Increased To 8%
Putin: The Goal Of A Significant Increase In Real Wages Must Be Achieved By 2023

*Putin Has Instructed Relevant Departments To Adjust The Work Plan Of The Defense Industrial Complex And The National Defense Order - TASS
*Putin: Plans For Military-Industrial Complex Should Be Revised
*Putin: New Programs For Robotics And Aerial Drones Should Be Launched
*Putin: For Russia, It Is Important Not Only To Replace Some Products, But To Achieve A Leading Position In Key Areas, Including Information Technology

12:45:47 - Mayor of Ukrainian City of Kharkiv: Explosions Heard in City, Critical Infrastructure Under Attack
 
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Crimea by that time will have one road in around the back.

The Russian Navy in Sevastopol is crippled already so adding further pressure it will just collapse. As the for defence lines from the main road.... Dont go down the main road.. Parachute people in, small land hop to the North coast.

ITs the best bargaining chip Ukraine have (unfortunately)
 
Mr Jack said:
Crimea is a large area but only connected to the mainland by a narrow bottleneck where Russia have been making their defences ready for the best part of a decade. Worse, even if they can punch through that first bottleneck there's another a few dozen kms further in. Then, even if they can punch through the rest of Crimea, Russia has a large military base at Sevastapol making an ideal place to mount a rearguard action from. Meanwhile, Ukraine doesn't have the sea power to mount an amphibious assault, whilst Russia does have the sea power to keep weapons and soldiers flowing into the region even with its bridge connection severed.

It's difficult to see how Ukraine can take Crimea back at all, let alone as an early target.
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Cut off the water, cut off the bridge and blow up every ship Russia sends there.

It will fold eventually.
 
Turn said:
Putin: Russia's GDP Expected to Fall 2.5% in 2022
Putin: Given The Tectonic Changes In The World, New Economic Solutions Will Be Proposed
Putin: "Economic War" Is The West's Action Against Russia
Putin: Since The Beginning Of The Year, The Russian Ruble Has Become One Of The Most Powerful Currencies In The World
Putin: Russia's Public Finances Remain Stable
Putin: The Russian Government Will Continue To Maintain Responsible Financial And Macroeconomic Policies And Fulfill Social Obligations
Putin: The Reduction In Russia's Poverty Rate To 10.5% Is A Small But Important Step In The Right Direction
Putin: In 2023, Russia's Budget Will Have A Small Deficit, Accounting For About 2% Of GDP
Putin: Russian Goods Supplies To The EU Rose By 1.5 Times In First Nine Months Of The Year
Putin: Although Russia Faces Sanctions, We Will Only Move Forward
Putin: Russia Will Never Follow The Path Of Self-Enclosure And Self-Defense
Putin: Russia Must Raise Its Interaction With Foreign Partners To A New Level
Putin: Russia Will Look For More Promising Partners Than The EU
Putin: There Is Imbalance In Trade With EU
Putin: Russia Will Increase Gas Supplies to East
Putin: We Will Define Our Gas Prices for Europe at an Electronic Trading Platform
Putin: European Sanctions First Pushed Up Regional Inflation
Putin: An Electronic Gas Central Platform To Determine European Prices May Be Established In The Next Few Months
Putin: Russia Has Exported About 22 Million Tons Of Grain In The Past Five Months
Putin: Russia Exported Over 25 Million T Of Mineral Fertilisers In First 11 Months Of The Year
Putin: Russia Will Increase The Supply Of Liquefied Natural Gas By 70 Billion Cubic Meters
Putin: Russia Will Develop Ports And Pipeline Systems In Asia, And Plans To Increase The Supply Of Natural Gas To The East To 88 Billion Cubic Meters By 2030
Putin: Russia Will Continue To Supply Food To The Poorest Countries
Putin: An Electronic Trading Platform For Russian Energy Resources Facing The West Can Be Built Within The Next Three Months
Putin: The Ruble's Share In Russia's International Settlements Has Doubled To A Third In A Year
Putin: Russian Exports To EU Rose In 2022, Trade "Imbalanced"
Putin: Sanctions Open The Way To New Opportunities And Become A Factor Stimulating The Establishment Of A Fully Sovereign Economy
Putin: Strengthening Technological Sovereignty And Achieving Excess Growth In The Manufacturing Industry Is One Of The Goals For 2023
Putin: Russia Intends To Increase Grain Exports To 50 Million Tons By The End Of This Season
Putin: EU Gas Price Policy Is Crazy
Putin: Russia Does Not Need To Borrow Money From Abroad, Does Not Need To "Take The Path Of Being Manipulated"
Putin: The Creation Of Other Payment Mechanisms, Including Digital Currencies, Is On The Agenda
Putin: It's Necessary To Discontinue Special Mortgage Rate Gradually
Putin: Special Mortgage Rate Will Continue Until July 1 2024, But Rate Will Be Increased To 8%
Putin: The Goal Of A Significant Increase In Real Wages Must Be Achieved By 2023

*Putin Has Instructed Relevant Departments To Adjust The Work Plan Of The Defense Industrial Complex And The National Defense Order - TASS
*Putin: Plans For Military-Industrial Complex Should Be Revised
*Putin: New Programs For Robotics And Aerial Drones Should Be Launched
*Putin: For Russia, It Is Important Not Only To Replace Some Products, But To Achieve A Leading Position In Key Areas, Including Information Technology

12:45:47 - Mayor of Ukrainian City of Kharkiv: Explosions Heard in City, Critical Infrastructure Under Attack
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I find it strange how slowly the country is turning to full mobilisation - even with considerations for not changing things so fast there is a pushback from the population. Like with the mobilisation but leaving borders open so that 100s of thousands could simply leave.

Unfortunately it looks like there is only one direction of travel though - eventually Russia will be mobilising its population and industrial capabilities to a military first footing and restarting the ability to produce military hardware and the materials for entirely domestically.
 
StriderX said:
Cut off the water, cut off the bridge and blow up every ship Russia sends there.
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How do they do that? Yet alone do that before reclaiming the coastal land from the Dnipro to East of Mariupol? I hope they can find a way to surprise me, but I personally don't think Ukraine is going to reclaim Crimea unless Russia descends into some kind of internal crisis.
 
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