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*Head of Ukrainian President’s Office, on Latest Western Military Aid, Says: We Are Getting Stronger and Everything That We Haven’t Received yet, We Will Receive

Ramstein, Germany-
*U.S. Defense Secretary Austin: Ukraine Is Not Dependent on a Single Military Platform
*U.S. Defense Secretary Austin: Germany Is a Reliable Ally and They Will Continue to Be
*Top U.S. General: It Would Be Difficult This Year for Ukraine to Remove All Russian Forces From Occupied Territories
*Top U.S. General: This War Will End on the Negotiation Table but Timing Up to Parties Involved

NATO Military Committee Chair ADM. Bauer:
- Decision to Send Tanks to Ukraine Must Be Taken by Individual Nations
- Conversation Should Not Only Be About Tanks, Ukraine Needs Other Equipment Too
- It Is Important to Send What Ukraine Requests on Time

Senior Administration Official:
- US Officials Urging Ukraine to Hold off on Offensive Against Russians Until Ukrainian Forces Receive Latest Tranche of Weaponry and Training
- U.S. Sticking to Position That U.S. Will Not Provide Tanks to Ukraine at This Time
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...aine-wait-offensive-official-says-2023-01-20/
 
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*Netherlands to Supply Ukraine with Two Launching Pads for Patriot Air Defense System and Missiles - ANP
https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/343...chtingen-en-raketten-van-patriot-aan-oekraine

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U.S. to impose new sanctions against Russia's Wagner private military group

The United States will impose additional sanctions next week against Russian private military company the Wagner Group, which U.S. officials say has been helping Russia's military in the Ukraine war, the White House said on Friday.
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*U.S. Releases Image It Says Shows Russian Rail Cars Taking Delivery of North Korean Arms Shipment

Zelenskiy:
- We Will Still Have to Fight to Ensure a Supply of Modern Tanks, Says the Ramstein Meeting Will Strenghten Our Resilience
- We Are Making It More Obvious Every Day That a Decision About Delivering Tanks Must Be Made
 
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Dear Germany,
can I have a Leopard tank please? I promise I will not use it for nefarious purposes. About 20 shells will be fine.

Thanks,
Stu999
 
Turn said:
www.reuters.com

U.S. to impose new sanctions against Russia's Wagner private military group

The United States will impose additional sanctions next week against Russian private military company the Wagner Group, which U.S. officials say has been helping Russia's military in the Ukraine war, the White House said on Friday.
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*U.S. Releases Image It Says Shows Russian Rail Cars Taking Delivery of North Korean Arms Shipment
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White House’s Kirby:
- Putin Is Increasingly Turning to Wagner Group
- Seeing Indications That Tensions Between Wagner and Russia’s Defense Department Are Increasing
- Approximately 50,000 Wagner Group Personnel Deployed to Ukraine
- Expects Wagner Group to Continue to Receive Weapons From North Korea, U.S. Calls On N.korea to Halt Shipments
- Will Name Wagner Group As Significant Transnational Criminal Organization. Additional Sanctions to Be Announced Next Week
- U.S. Additional Actions Against Wagner Group Will Help Other Nations Stop Doing Business With the Group
- U.S. Not Arm-Twisting Other Nations on Military Aid to Ukraine
 
kinetic747 said:
Don't think so, they've always been a letdown.
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Reports that one floated away turned out to be just a load of hot air.


Stretch said:
Why are Germany dragging their feet?
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There's multiple reasons mostly political and mostly involving WW2, but an important one is that German tanks rolling into eastern Europe would be an epic boon for Putin in the infowar and result in a surge of Russian volunteers (including veterans), so unless they are going to be sending hundreds of tanks then it would harm Ukraine more than help.
 
Scougar said:
Challengers? We only have 148 Challenger III's. Those were upgraded from CII's. The rest we were keeping around for parts or whatever. Something like 238 or something total tanks. So we literally don't have 100 to give of CII's.
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We don't have any challenger IIIs at the moment, only start to be delivered in 2027 iirc.

I think it's quite a reasonable question whether the challenger III upgrades still make sense, and whether giving more tanks to Ukraine might be a better use... Also we may well want more / different tanks after learning lessons from Ukraine...

Then again also fair comment that logistics will be harder for them than leopards, so certainly at the moment the main value is diplomatic, convincing other countries (cough Germany cough) to do the same. If we gave them more then they could actually be a very capable tank force though.

Personally I say give Ukraine as many working tanks as possible (as long as they want them), with as much support as possible.
 
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GreatAuk said:
We don't have any challenger IIIs at the moment, only start to be delivered in 2027 iirc.

I think it's quite a reasonable question whether the challenger III upgrades still make sense, and whether giving more tanks to Ukraine might be a better use... Also we may well want more / different tanks after learning lessons from Ukraine...

Then again also fair comment that logistics will be harder for them than leopards, so certainly at the moment the main value is diplomatic, convincing other countries (cough Germany cough) to do the same. If we gave them more then they could actually be a very capable tank force though.

Personally I say give Ukraine as many working tanks as possible (as long as they want them), with as much support as possible.
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Thanks for the clarification. I hadn't realized that we don't actually have them modified yet! eek.
 
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