Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Russian FM Lavrov:
- Longer Ukraine Rejects Peace Talks Harder It Would Be to Find a Solution
- War Between Russia and West Is Not Hybrid Any More, It Is Almost a Real One
- Ukraine Grain Deal is Being More or Less Fulfilled
- We Are Still Facing Problems with Russian Grain Supplies Despite Western Claims

*German Govt Spokesperson on Possible Polish Export Request for Leopard Tanks: There Is a Procedure for This, We Would Work With the Swiftness and Care Required
*German Govt Spokesperson on Battle Tanks Debate: Some Countries for, Others Against; Germany Is Not Isolated Here
 
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Turn said:
Russian FM Lavrov:
- Longer Ukraine Rejects Peace Talks Harder It Would Be to Find a Solution
- War Between Russia and West Is Not Hybrid Any More, It Is Almost a Real One
- Ukraine Grain Deal is Being More or Less Fulfilled
- We Are Still Facing Problems with Russian Grain Supplies Despite Western Claims

*German Govt Spokesperson on Possible Polish Export Request for Leopard Tanks: There Is a Procedure for This, We Would Work With the Swiftness and Care Required
*German Govt Spokesperson on Battle Tanks Debate: Some Countries for, Others Against; Germany Is Not Isolated Here
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Indeed- process for it, another excuse too slow everything down. and yup.. I bet Russia is very against it…
 
bris said:
yes maybe but that's why NATO is asking the non NATO countries to join.

Sweden and Finland have now both been asked, I believe Turkeys objection has now been Lifted.

Russia will have very few non NATO countries on it's borders now, which is the what they are trying to stop, so invading Ukraine has had the opposite effect, Putin only has himself to blame
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They asked to join NATO not the other way around, thats twisting the narrative to make it look like NATO is actively recruiting against russia which they're not thats the narrative russian media would portray. Nations around russia are nervous of them and uncertainty about russias intentions makes them nervous. You're right its Putins fault but its also his justification i.e. NATO is edging ever closer to his borders, its a double edged sword. Fear on both sides is driving this ironically. Ukraine is not NATO territory so thats the one Putin felt he could safely invade but Lavrov is right in that the West is raising the stakes by arming Ukraine this war is deepening suspicion and hostility on both sides
 
This is going to end well isn't it?
Russia won't back down the Eastern regions of Ukraine now. Too much at stake.

They were autonomous anyways.
So what is the aim now, escalate until what? because for sure UK would be a primary target if it all goes to ****.
 
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sityeuropa said:
This is going to end well isn't it?
Russia won't back down the Eastern regions of Ukraine now. Too much at stake.

They were autonomous anyways.
So what is the aim now, escalate until what? because for sure UK would be a primary target if it all goes to ****.
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Not a great deal we can do about it other than carry on until we can't I guess.
 
sityeuropa said:
This is going to end well isn't it?
Russia won't back down the Eastern regions of Ukraine now. Too much at stake.

They were autonomous anyways.
So what is the aim now, escalate until what? because for sure UK would be a primary target if it all goes to ****.
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Primary target for what? If they lob nukes anywhere that's part of NATO etc it's all the same.
 
The West don't want this to end, they are now using it to bring Russia down. They could easily encourage Ukraine to negotiate, but this is not the aim now.

With Tanks going over this is a major escalation.
 
sityeuropa said:
The West don't want this to end, they are now using it to bring Russia down. They could easily encourage Ukraine to negotiate, but this is not the aim now.

With Tanks going over this is a major escalation.
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Negotiate what? There's nothing reasonable to negotiate.

And tanks are a major escalation? Says who? What are Russia going to do about it? Oh yeah nothing.
 
Stumble Bum said:
Negotiate what? There's nothing reasonable to negotiate.

And tanks are a major escalation? Says who? What are Russia going to do about it? Oh yeah nothing.
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Tanks are only a starter what they need to push the Ruzkies back. I wonder what would happen with east regions as they were under Ruzky government for quite some time.
 
For anyone who watches the Madyar (pointy stick man) videos on Ukrainewarvideoreport on Reddit

Seems these Russian units have no brotherhood just left to die nobody coming to rescue them your just going to be replaced by the next conscript. Maybe you will die fast if your lucky but a lot are clearly just bleeding out a slow and painful death who really wants to fight in an army like that?

Surely your better off coming together as an Army and dragging Putin out to end this.
 
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Russia is not going to leave the Eastern regions now.

They were autonomous and pro russian before due to the Ukraine government being overthrown. Russia will not leave them now.

So I ask you all on here (seem quite young probably don't remember the fups that were the Iraq war and the lies that were told then)

What is the end game now? Are we to keep prolonging this until how many more Ukraine + Russian casualties?
Russia will use nukes now before giving up the territory they have. Is this what you want?

Bottom line is Russia will not give these regions up now. So whats the plan?
 
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sityeuropa said:
Russia is not going to leave the Eastern regions now.

They were autonomous and pro russian before due to the Ukraine government being overthrown. Russia will not leave them now.

So I ask you all on here (seem quite young probably don't remember the fups that were the Iraq war and the lies that were told then)

What is the end game now? Are we to keep prolonging this until how many more Ukraine + Russian casualties?
Russia will use nukes now before giving up the territory they intended to. Is this what you want?

Bottom line is Russia will not give these regions up now. So whats the plan?
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Ukraine oush Russia out on the next counter offensive. Whats Russia plan for that?
 
sityeuropa said:
The West don't want this to end, they are now using it to bring Russia down. They could easily encourage Ukraine to negotiate, but this is not the aim now.

With Tanks going over this is a major escalation.
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Ah yes, the standard Tik Tok / social media reply I see every day from bots, conspriacy theorists and fans of the right and Putin, almost to the letter.

I've replied to a few, but it gets boring. Hitting Russia where is hurts for what they've done is a side affect, lets call it a nice added bonus especially how clear it is how they have proven themselves happy to go into many countries the last decade and destroy every living thing. But it's not the reason why we are arming Ukraine, that is as has always been to help them stop being slaughtered and completey taken over (by force) by Russia, and try to push Russia back out of Ukraine since it won't negotiate (you can argue they say they will but the starting terms of negotiation are not acceptable to anyone).

They won't do anything if we supply Tanks. Their Nuclear threats are what they are - threats. We know the doctrine. Nobody is going to start properly having a go at proper Russian territory because nobody has any interest (nor ever had) in invading Russia. Now the west has weaned itself off Russian gas and oil, it is irrellevant in the world stage militarily and economically. It's entirely their choice to be welcomed back but it starts with withdrawing from Ukraine soverign territory and internationally recognised borders.
 
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