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A senior Ukrainian presidential aide has reacted with anger after Elon Musk’s SpaceX said it had taken steps to prevent its Starlink satellite communications service from controlling drones, which are critical to Kyiv’s forces in fighting off the Russian invasion.

Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX’s chief operating officer, said at a conference in the US that the surprise decision had been taken because it had never been the company’s intention to allow Starlink to be used “for offensive purposes”.

That prompted an immediate complaint on Thursday morning from Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to Ukraine’s president, Volodymr Zelenskiy, who argued that Musk’s business had failed to recognise Ukraine’s right to self-defence.

Companies, Podolyak tweeted, had to decide if they were “on the side of the right to freedom” or “on the Russian Federation’s side and its ‘right’ to kill and seize territories” after its unprovoked invasion last year.

Shortly after the start of the war, Musk, SpaceX’s founder, agreed to provide Starlink for nothing to Ukraine, in response to a plea made on Twitter by Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine’s minister of digital transformation. “Starlink service is now active in Ukraine,” Musk said in reply.

Ukrainian forces use Starlink to help control their large network of surveillance drones, critical to monitor Russian troop concentrations and military movements, at a time when Moscow’s forces are on the attack across large parts of the eastern front.

The country’s military rapidly became dependent on Musk’s network, because other internet services were unavailable because of war damage, power outages, jamming or simply because the locations were remote.
 
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Absolutely but wouldn't they be used like the A10, in a ground support role?
The A10 would probably get shot down a lot too...

Much worse with our Tucanos though because they aren't armoured at all or designed with survivability as high up the priority list as the A10, and are slower (and presumably would be slower again once we put some armour and weapons on them, unless the engine can be upgraded significantly too, and then this all starts to be quite a big project...).

Would be challenging fitting all the radar and electronic warfare systems etc to our Tucanos too, so suspect they'd have worse sensors & worse countermeasures than an A10 too. Not an aircraft expert by any means so would be interested if anyone knowledgeable could defend the idea, but seems absolutely ludicrous to me.

Only point in its favour I heard was someone arguing that the heat signature will be relatively small so some old fashioned missiles may have trouble seeking it. Seems optimistic to me.
 
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The A10 would probably get shot down a lot too...

Much worse with our Tucanos though because they aren't armoured at all, and are slower (and presumably would be slower again once we put some armour and weapons on them, unless the engine can be upgraded significantly too, and then this all starts to be quite a big project...).

Would be challenging fitting all the radar and electronic warfare systems etc to our Tucanos too, so suspect they'd have worse sensors & worse countermeasures than an A10 too. Not an aircraft expert by any means so would be interested if anyone knowledgeable could defend the idea, but seems absolutely ludicrous to me.

Only point in its favour I heard was someone arguing that the heat signature will be relatively small so some old fashioned missiles may have trouble seeking it. Seems optimistic to me.
In 50 years of operation 7 have been shot down - and 6 of those in 1991.
 
*Putin: We Have Not Started Any Hostilities, We Are Trying To End Them
*Putin: Russian Economy May Grow Slightly In 2023
*Putin: Russia Has Overcome The Most Difficult Stage Related To Sanctions And Will Move Forward
So, if the first bit is 100% false, then to go for a bingo jackpot it follows that #2 is also false, and so is #3 false.

Maybe, the Russian government is easier to read than most: the truth is guaranteed to be exactly 180° of what they say. Let me guess, those who thing Trump was a good idea because he was refreshingly honest about how dishonest he was, are all likely to be Putin fans.
So that number of 1800 tanks for the next offensive, isnt true at all.
Well, 180° is harder to do with numbers, but when surrounded with yes-men then Putin's numbers would probably make an accurate count hard; best not to dissapoint the centre when counting so count everything we have (and have not embezzled) at least two times. No better make that ten time!
 
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Almost as if certain posters have never heard of the CAS role , like ever.
CAS doesn't mean that no one's allowed to shoot at you. Aircraft doing CAS have been proved quite vulnerable in this war so far haven't they?

In 50 years of operation 7 have been shot down - and 6 of those in 1991.
Which isn't great really considering that Iraq's Gulf War Air defence systems were mostly pretty old even back then, despite being numerous. Also the A10s stopped being used in high threat areas because they were proved to be vulnerable to short range Sam's. And the Taliban didn't really have a very advanced air defence system.

And Tucanos seem like they will be a lot more vulnerable than A10s surely?
 
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To continue on from this, where are we actually drawing the line? There doesn't seem to be a limit to the equipment we're willing to provide, after we provide Jets are we going to provide nuclear weapons to allow Ukraine to defend itself? I think providing small arms and equipment is fine, but we're currently just operating on blind optimism as if a war with Russia is impossible. Before World War 1 everyone thought a war of that magnitude was impossible because of how vast both armies were, before World War 2 no one thought Hitler was capable of storming Paris in 3 weeks and kicking our Army out of continental Europe. Everyone seems to be blind to the possibility of a nuclear war and it is ******* mind boggling stupid considering the consequences.

So you are happy to give them weapons they can't win the war with and allow Putin to have the upper hand. So basically throw them under the bus and reward the aggressor Putin.
 
Elon not wanting to upset Putin. What is it with him? Does Putin have something over him? Is he hoping to do business with Russia in the future? Its a war zone and Ukraine is fighting for its very existence. The sooner another Starlink alternative is up the better.


Damn, that is a ****** thing to do. He could at least have given them a window of time to find a new provider.
 
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