Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[lookitsjonno]

Uh Oh the Russian bot is on shift.

Interesting 'working hours'

 

[Chris Wilson]

Absolutely no one wants to start a war with Russia, not Europe, not NATO, not the US - the West is far too wrapped up in its self interest and [relatively] comfortable way of life to start a war with Russia none the less Russia having nukes. That is pure and utter delusion and if you are posting that seriously and autonomously you should be ashamed of yourself.

That's nonsense, only this last week someone in here was saying we, the UK, should give Ukraine access to Trident, which sure as hell would start a proper war. There are more irrational and immature belicose people in here and in the left wing media than even I would have imagined possible. There are lots of (mainly young) people with no experience of war thrutching to start one with Russia. Their glee at death and destruction is obscene, their conception of war with Russia utterly naïve.

I know for a fact many acquaintances wouldn't have been able to point The Ukraine out on a map or offer any useful insight about the country two years ago, that are now so swept up in the media frenzy that you'd think President Putin was trying to take England.

As one looking on horrified as the UK and Europe has demographic changes and capitulation beyond even my worst nightmares the thought of strong, nationalistic and imperialistic leaders who openly state they do not want their country to become like many European ones, demographically, politically or morally, is refreshing. I think I am becoming more aligned with Bernie Ecclestone monthly...

 

[delta0]

Russia like China is a a nation and territory to invade and the west have nowhere near the numbers of boots on the ground to complete it

This is also true vice versa. The rest of the world has no intention of invading either.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

That's nonsense, only this last week someone in here was saying we, the UK, should give Ukraine access to Trident, which sure as hell would start a proper war. There are more irrational and immature belicose people in here and in the left wing media than even I would have imagined possible. There are lots of (mainly young) people with no experience of war thrutching to start one with Russia. Their glee at death and destruction is obscene, their conception of war with Russia utterly naïve.

You may have picked up on my posting of that, which was a joke.

I know for a fact many acquantai wouldn't have been able to point The Ukraine out on a map or offer any useful insight about the country two years ago, that are now so swept up in the media frenzy that you'd think President Putin was trying to take England.

How is where it is on a map relevant.
Doing the right thing doesn't require a geography GCSE

As one looking on horrified as the UK and Europe has demographic changes and capitulation beyond even my worst nightmares the thought of strong, nationalistic and imperialistic leaders who openly state they do not want their country to become like many European ones, demographically, politically or morally, is refreshing. I think I am becoming more aligned with Bernie Ecclestone monthly...

Well at least finally you recognise and admit your views are very fringe.

 

[HungryHippos]

I wonder how much they're being paid to go out onto the Internet and post pro-Russian nonsense myself.

 

[Chris Wilson]

You may have picked up on my posting of that, which was a joke.



How is where it is on a map relevant.
Doing the right thing doesn't require a geography GCSE



Well at least finally you recognise and admit your views are very fringe.

They are almost certainly nothing like as "fringe" as you may think. For instance, I would not be allowed to post the above on say AV Forums, the owner pre censored any debate showing any understanding or support of Russia. That's unhealthy and fearful.

I am seeing none mainstream opinion being more and more censored across a wide spectra of subjects and media here in the UK. I think muted support for strong nationalistic leaders is more widespread than you care to admit....

 

[Chris Wilson]

Firstly, that's hilarious nonsense. Secondly, answer my questions.



Try again. This time count the number of Russian military bases outside Russia.

Look, I'll make it even easier for you. Here's a map showing the whole of Russia. Show me all the NATO members at her western, southern, eastern, and northern borders:

You have posted a map of Asiatic Russia and totally missed out European Russia...

 

[Dis86]

You have posted a map of Asiatic Russia and totally missed out European Russia...

Err....no he hasn't

 

[HungryHippos]

Err....no he hasn't

He's talking about the map where Russia controls all of Europe

 

[Sankari]

You have posted a map of Asiatic Russia and totally missed out European Russia...

Try again. The whole of Russia is shown in that map. Do you want to take a shot at answering the questions old mate can't answer?

 

[Chris Wilson]

The bottom map is of Asiatic Russia, and saying NATO hasn't got a presence north of it is about like saying they have no presence north of the North Pole. There's just a freezing wasteland north of Asiatic Russia.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Try again. The whole of Russia is shown in that map. Do you want to take a shot at answering the questions old mate can't answer?

Are you asking me to speak for someone else? Who is "old mate"? Perhaps you mean "comrade" ?

 

[CapitalOne]

Appeasement dressed up as pragmatism. I am dissapointed at the lack of effort there, although the toddler levels of geography knowledge open a window into the reality some of our more insular members inhabit

 

[Curlyriff]

I was thinking not knowing where Ukraine is an oddity to most Europeans. The US people not so much they struggle with what is above and below the United States as it is ha.

 

[Sankari]

Are you asking me to speak for someone else?

No, I'm asking you to speak for yourself.

Who is "old mate"?

The guy avoiding the questions I asked him here.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Err....no he hasn't

Err, OK it's my screen, I was only seeing part of the map, mea culpa I have been messing with screen resolutions for some oddball application.

 

[esmozz]

This war is going to end like every other war - with a negotiated settlement. That settlement will probably involve Russia retaining (in some sense) some of the territory it acquired in 2014 including the Crimea. In return for that the Ukrainains will be given access to a full suite of modern weapons, massive reconstrucion aid and possibly membership of NATO and the EU.

The above seems obvious, at least to me. But I'm curious. Does thinking that make me a ChinaBot or RussianBot? Because that how simple this tread has become, if you think beyond 'GRRRR CRUSH ORCS' you must be one or the other.

 

[StriderX]

No it's the rational view versus the 'hurr Russia should be able to steamroll Ukraine and murder/rape anyone they want' Tankie/fashbot opinion that has become more than a little stale.

 

[esmozz]

Playground politics and/or morality only works in the playground. In the real world things are different.

 

[kindai]

This war is going to end like every other war - with a negotiated settlement. That settlement will probably involve Russia retaining (in some sense) some of the territory it acquired in 2014 including the Crimea. In return for that the Ukrainains will be given access to a full suite of modern weapons, massive reconstrucion aid and possibly membership of NATO and the EU.

Lol no.

This war will end when we, collectively "the west" pull our fingers out and get on supplying Ukraine with more advanced long range weapons and Russia is driven out, humiliated and drained of a huge proportion of its military capability with the majority of its hardware absolutely destroyed.