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Rroff said:

I'm surprised actually given that Bakhmut is relatively dug in Ukraine didn't open up another front in the area to relieve the pressure and put Russia's supply lines/command for the assault on Bakhmut under threat.
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I'm the same, I just keep falling back to that Ukraine has basically outwitted Russia at every level throughout the war.
As such it just feels to me like some massive trap.
I really hope I am right and its not a tactical error on their part, but its hard to see why they would be making it in this case.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
I'm the same, I just keep falling back to that Ukraine has basically outwitted Russia at every level throughout the war.
As such it just feels to me like some massive trap.
I really hope I am right and its not a tactical error on their part, but its hard to see why they would be making it in this case.
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At this point i'm thinking the whole point of Bakhmut is to deplete the Russians so much they cant do much other than stay put and get progressively weaker and more vulnerable to counter attacks
 
nsmalley said:
At this point i'm thinking the whole point of Bakhmut is to deplete the Russians so much they cant do much other than stay put and get progressively weaker and more vulnerable to counter attacks
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I think Russia has taken heavy losses, but if those losses are primarily prisoners serving for Russia, then I question how much this really weakens Russia in the long run. They can always mobilise more people.
 
RossGReds said:
I think Russia has taken heavy losses, but if those losses are primarily prisoners serving for Russia, then I question how much this really weakens Russia in the long run. They can always mobilise more people.
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IMO the city is far more critical to Russian's war efforts than many commentators think, while I assume Ukraine has long since relocated from using it as a hub. Russian logistics is generally very different to how people think a modern army operate.
 
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Rroff said:
IMO the city is far more critical to Russian's war efforts than many commentators think, while I assume Ukraine has long since relocated from using it as a hub. Russian logistics is generally very different to how people think a modern army operate.
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If it was critical they wouldn't have made it near impossible to defend by turning it into rubble surely?
 
Rroff said:
IMO the city is far more critical to Russian's war efforts than many commentators think, while I assume Ukraine has long since relocated from using it as a hub. Russian logistics is generally very different to how people think a modern army operate.
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There's also the symbolism factor, between 1924-2016 Bakhmut was known as Artemivsk, it was renamed by Ukraine as part of the post 2014 de-Russification and this greatly angered the Ukrainian separatists (who had taken the city post 2014 but lost control of it in 2015) and the Russians (as the city had been named after an important Bolshevik born there who had played a role in the 1914 Russian revolution which resulted in the USSR). There would be major symbolic value to taking the city, and potentially changing the name back, even if there's very little city left.
 
ubersonic said:
There's also the symbolism factor, between 1924-2016 Bakhmut was known as Artemivsk, it was renamed by Ukraine as part of the post 2014 de-Russification and this greatly angered the Ukrainian separatists (who had taken the city post 2014 but lost control of it in 2015) and the Russians (as the city had been named after an important Bolshevik born there who had played a role in the 1914 Russian revolution which resulted in the USSR). There would be major symbolic value to taking the city, and potentially changing the name back, even if there's very little city left.
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You'd think the USSR lovers would think a bit about why Russia would celebrate a pile of rubble and realise the symbology is far more to the West's favour than theirs, but I'm sure they'll find some nonsensical rationale to ignore that.
 
Rroff said:

I'm surprised actually given that Bakhmut is relatively dug in Ukraine didn't open up another front in the area to relieve the pressure and put Russia's supply lines/command for the assault on Bakhmut under threat.
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From comments in that twitter post it appears that Ukraine is at a minimum pulling back across the river to the west.
 
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