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Well, the soldiers invading Ukraine have that flag with the horizontal red, white and blue stripes on their uniforms. I reckon it’s the Dutch at fault here! Oh why won’t those monsters in Amsterdam not stop the horror!

Or Luxembourg, nobody ever suspects Luxembourg….
 
Roar87 said:
What loony views? Have you watched a single video, or do you just listen to CNN on repeat?
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Yes I used to watch his videos early on and he was good. Then as he started embracing things like ivermectin the anti vaxers/covid deniers flocked to his channel and he went off the deep end and embraced the £. Fair play to him, he's cleaning up.
 
HungryHippos said:
Apologies I keep forgetting US sent in the invasion forces so they could bolster their defence industrial complex.
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All of these things are true:

Putin invaded Ukraine and that is wrong, Ukraine is a sovereign country and Russia should respect it's borders.
The United States involved itself in Ukraine by seeking to destabilise the pro-Russian government.
The pro-Russian government was supported by Russia in elections.
The United States is quite happy to see increased defense spending and most of the Politicians in America benefit from this.

Guess who loses out? The Russian soldiers dying, the Ukrainian soldiers dying, the US and EU tax payers who see massive inflation and increased cost of living.
 
Roar87 said:
All of these things are true:

Putin invaded Ukraine and that is wrong, Ukraine is a sovereign country and Russia should respect it's borders.
The United States involved itself in Ukraine by seeking to destabilise the pro-Russian government.
The pro-Russian government was supported by Russia in elections.
The United States is quite happy to see increased defense spending and most of the Politicians in America benefit from this.

Guess who loses out? The Russian soldiers dying, the Ukrainian soldiers dying, the US and EU tax payers who see massive inflation and increased cost of living.
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The Ukrainian people destabilised the government through protests because the president went back on his word of moving towards the EU. He was voted out by parliament and fled the country to Russia. They had fresh elections. He was also corrupt as ****!
The US and all the other counties with defence industries will of course be selling weapons, mainly to their own countries or allies who are supplying Ukraine with their own weapons.
None of this is on the US. All of it is on Russia and Putin.
Yeah war is **** but Ukraine decided they aren't going to lie down and be exterminated. We should be very grateful as they are doing the work our soldiers hopefully won't have to when they beat Russia.
 
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alchal said:
So who owned Crimea before 1783 ?

Why not an earlier date ?
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Crimea was part of Russia from 1783, when the Tsarist Empire annexed it a decade after defeating Ottoman forces in the Battle of Kozludzha, until 1954, when the Soviet government transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics (RSFSR) to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (UkrSSR).
 
Roar87 said:
That would be the Ottomans, I don't think Turkey ls laying claim to it though. What I would say is that Russia pretty much has very strong historical links to Crimea, it's hardly some great surprise they occupied Crimea considering the historical ties and strategic importance, it isn't like it belonged to Ukraine for 200 years and the Russians came and kicked them ou
Roar87 said:
All of these things are true:

Putin invaded Ukraine and that is wrong, Ukraine is a sovereign country and Russia should respect it's borders.
The United States involved itself in Ukraine by seeking to destabilise the pro-Russian government.
The pro-Russian government was supported by Russia in elections.
The United States is quite happy to see increased defense spending and most of the Politicians in America benefit from this.

Guess who loses out? The Russian soldiers dying, the Ukrainian soldiers dying, the US and EU tax payers who see massive inflation and increased cost of living.
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Putin could end it all today and as per usual not a word on him pulling out and going back to Russia..
 
*Ukraine Defence Ministry Intelligence: Russian Kalibr Cruise Missiles Destroyed in Rail Transit in Dzhankoi, Crimea

*Russia-Installed Head of Crimea: At Least One Person Injured by Shrapnel in Dzhankoi Attack
 
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Harlequin said:
Crimea was part of Russia from 1783, when the Tsarist Empire annexed it a decade after defeating Ottoman forces in the Battle of Kozludzha, until 1954, when the Soviet government transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics (RSFSR) to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (UkrSSR).
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The ethnic people of Crimea are Turkish. So that answers who Crimea belonged to before Russia stole it, the Ottomans/Turkey

So if we want to return Crimea to its original owners, it's not Ukraine, it should be returned to Turkey

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Crimean Tatars - Wikipedia

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Colonel_Klinck said:
The Ukrainian people destabilised the government through protests because the president went back on his word of moving towards the EU. He was voted out by parliament and fled the country to Russia. They had fresh elections. He was also corrupt as ****!
The US and all the other counties with defence industries will of course be selling weapons, mainly to their own countries or allies who are supplying Ukraine with their own weapons.
None of this is on the US. All of it is on Russia and Putin.
Yeah war is **** but Ukraine decided they aren't going to lie down and be exterminated. We should be very grateful as they are doing the work our soldiers hopefully won't have to when they beat Russia.
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Also if Putin managed to take Ukraine, he wouldn't have stopped there. It's clear he wants to rebuild the USSR and then likely invade the rest of Europe. Luckily Ukraine managed to stop him, he has no hope of that now.
 
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Roar87 said:
Guess who loses out? The Russian soldiers dying, the Ukrainian soldiers dying, the US and EU tax payers who see massive inflation and increased cost of living.
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Worth it.

Most of us are too pansy to dare set foot into a conflict with a Store Manager let alone a real war. If I have to manage my Hive thermostat slightly better, and it helps - it is a small price worth paying.
 
dLockers said:
Worth it.

Most of us are too pansy to dare set foot into a conflict with a Store Manager let alone a real war. If I have to manage my Hive thermostat slightly better, and it helps - it is a small price worth paying.
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Absolutely. Either Russia is stopped now or we will have to stop them in the future, be it in 5 years or 10 years.
 
dLockers said:
Worth it.

Most of us are too pansy to dare set foot into a conflict with a Store Manager let alone a real war. If I have to manage my Hive thermostat slightly better, and it helps - it is a small price worth paying.
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After listening to that Geopolitics podcast I posted earlier I started to wonder what would happen if we all got called up.
I enlisted in the Royal Marines Reserves in my 20's but not so sure I've got that gung ho invincibility in me now I'm 50..
The stuff I see online these days about how much anxiety and uselessness there seems to be in the younger generation. I wonder WTF would actually happen to this country if the poop really did hit the fan..
 
Fuzz said:
After listening to that Geopolitics podcast I posted earlier I started to wonder what would happen if we all got called up.
I enlisted in the Royal Marines Reserves in my 20's but not so sure I've got that gung ho invincibility in me now I'm 50..
The stuff I see online these days about how much anxiety and uselessness there seems to be in the younger generation. I wonder WTF would actually happen to this country if the poop really did hit the fan..
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They'd still get the job done. They'd also be damaged like all soldiers are that see such things. Its just that today we recognise this when even 30 years ago it was swept under the rug and seen as weakness.

I do hope after this is over we support Ukraine with mental healthcare for all the soldiers, children and adults that need it. Its so easy to forget about the population once the fighting stops.
 
I've talked to my wife a few times about going. The reality is, I just don't have a way to finance home life, whilst being in another country. I certainly wouldn't like to fight on the front lines though unless it was a world war quite frankly (I'm not a trained soldier), but I would risk evacs, and any other help I could such as drone manufacture, or building houses. It doesn't seem to make a lot of financial sense though to pay for an expensive foreign worker in that capacity, when that money could buy generators, tourniquets, boots, NVG's etc.

Edit: I have the offer to go build housing from connections my wife has in Ukraine. I would have to justify it and somehow finance it against simply sending money. I'm not sure if it would be possible to do my IT job (since I'm already remote now) from there which would make it a bit easier. I also have no idea on the implications to my green card.
 
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Scougar said:
I've talked to my wife a few times about going. The reality is, I just don't have a way to finance home life, whilst being in another country. I certainly wouldn't like to fight on the front lines though unless it was a world war quite frankly (I'm not a trained soldier), but I would risk evacs, and any other help I could such as drone manufacture, or building houses. It doesn't seem to make a lot of financial sense though to pay for an expensive foreign worker in that capacity, when that money could buy generators, tourniquets, boots, NVG's etc.
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I know where you are coming from. If I was 30 I like to think I'd give serious consideration to going there. I don't have kids so there wouldn't be them to hold me back. Sadly I'm 52, the cartilage in both my knees is shot and my back's better days are long in the past. I do think its worth fighting for though, Russia is a serious risk to Europe and I do feel a comradery with Ukraine in this war.
 
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