Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
All of these things are true:

Putin invaded Ukraine and that is wrong, Ukraine is a sovereign country and Russia should respect it's borders.
The United States involved itself in Ukraine by seeking to destabilise the pro-Russian government.
The pro-Russian government was supported by Russia in elections.
The United States is quite happy to see increased defense spending and most of the Politicians in America benefit from this.

Guess who loses out? The Russian soldiers dying, the Ukrainian soldiers dying, the US and EU tax payers who see massive inflation and increased cost of living.
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That's literally all on Putin.
 
gingergundog said:
Ill be honest I'm pretty confused with regards to the legit(if that's even possible) claim to Crimea, can someone Sunday school it for me?
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Thats a long list that that extends back to the ancient greeks its long been a contested land but recent history goes back to the conquest by tsarist russian troops it got ceded to ukraine as part of teh USSR obviously Moscow didn't foresee the breakup of that and now wants it back.

n.b. there are earlier claims it was ruled by the Ottoman Turks and prior to that by muslim tatars who the turks conquered but not before they occupied Russian soil (the coloured domes on St. Basil's Cathedral in Moscow was built by Ivan the Terrible to represent the turbans of the expelled Tatars. Of course all of this earlier history is completely ignored by everyone on all sides.)

Grim5 said:
The ethnic people of Crimea are Turkish. So that answers who Crimea belonged to before Russia stole it, the Ottomans/Turkey

So if we want to return Crimea to its original owners, it's not Ukraine, it should be returned to Turkey
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It was settled by Byzantine greeks and Ostrogoths prior to their arrival so who really "owns" it?

Fuzz said:
After listening to that Geopolitics podcast I posted earlier I started to wonder what would happen if we all got called up.
I enlisted in the Royal Marines Reserves in my 20's but not so sure I've got that gung ho invincibility in me now I'm 50..
The stuff I see online these days about how much anxiety and uselessness there seems to be in the younger generation. I wonder WTF would actually happen to this country if the poop really did hit the fan..
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I'm probably too old for front line service I'd likely end up in the Home Guard like my grandfather taking pot shots at aircraft with an anti aircraft gun at night while still having to work all day for the Ministry churning out rifle butts
 
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Allnamestaken said:
That's literally all on Putin.
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Ahhhhh but Putin was going to hijack the country with the bare minimum of casualties.

When the Ukranians resisted the casualties skyrocketed so clearly the suffering can be blamed on the Ukranians and everyone helping them.

Think of how much cheaper your gas bill would be if they stopped resisting.
 
Roar87 said:
The United States involved itself in Ukraine by seeking to destabilise the pro-Russian government.
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Haven't seen any evidence of that. But I have seen evidence that Russia interfered in Ukraine to support the pro-Russian government and reverse the Euromaidan.

Roar87 said:
The United States is quite happy to see increased defense spending and most of the Politicians in America benefit from this.
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Need to see some evidence for the second half of that sentence.

Roar87 said:
Guess who loses out? The Russian soldiers dying, the Ukrainian soldiers dying, the US and EU tax payers who see massive inflation and increased cost of living.
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You forgot the part where EU tax payers benefit from Russia being stopped before she can overrun Ukraine and make life even worse for everyone else on the rest of the continent. If this can be achieved simply by arming Ukraine, the EU gets a huge win at a negligible cost without losing a single soldier. The return on investment is so good, it's almost obscene.
 
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Scougar said:
I've talked to my wife a few times about going. The reality is, I just don't have a way to finance home life, whilst being in another country. I certainly wouldn't like to fight on the front lines though unless it was a world war quite frankly (I'm not a trained soldier), but I would risk evacs, and any other help I could such as drone manufacture, or building houses. It doesn't seem to make a lot of financial sense though to pay for an expensive foreign worker in that capacity, when that money could buy generators, tourniquets, boots, NVG's etc.

Edit: I have the offer to go build housing from connections my wife has in Ukraine. I would have to justify it and somehow finance it against simply sending money. I'm not sure if it would be possible to do my IT job (since I'm already remote now) from there which would make it a bit easier. I also have no idea on the implications to my green card.
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Watch some videos from someone like ukraine_tbic - evacs are often messy and high risk - often people won't leave until the frontlines are on their doorstep. Can't remember which channel it was but watching one the other day where they were crouched by a wall at a building they were evacing people from who were living in the basement and you could hear rounds (this was big stuff 50 cal or 20/30mm) going close overhead, even hitting the building (they weren't directly the target - just in the line of fire of combat going on about a mile away).
 
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I see a lot of commentators, even those with professional military or political backgrounds, again under the impression that with Xi's visit Putin will be looking for a compromise outcome - it might make sense to people based on conventional wisdom but IMO that is something Putin is still unwilling to accept - again people not reading the subtext and only taking what they want to see from Putin's words.
 
Rroff said:
I see a lot of commentators, even those with professional military or political backgrounds, again under the impression that with Xi's visit Putin will be looking for a compromise outcome - it might make sense to people based on conventional wisdom but IMO that is something Putin is still unwilling to accept - again people not reading the subtext and only taking what they want to see from Putin's words.
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Xi has been using the Russian playbook of two faced comments so no one knows what you're actually thinking. He says he has a peace plan and Russia should respect Ukraine's territory and then in the next sentence he says China and Russia are in complete agreement and they will create a new world order
 
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China is just exploiting their upper hand in the relationship. I guess it's nearly win win for them. Russia wins the war, they have a more powerful partner on the world stage, Russia loses, they can pick over the bones while giving Russia life support.
 
*Gazprom: New Record in Gas Supplies to China via Power of Siberia Achieved on Monday

*Xi Invites Putin to Visit China - RIA
*Xi Invites Putin to China for the Third Belt and Road Forum - Chinese State Media
*Xi Invites Russian PM Mishustin to Visit China - Chinese State Media

*Russia Summons Canadian Envoy - RIA
*Russia’s Security Council Secretary Patrushev: West Helps Kyiv to Plan Military Operations
*Russia’s Security Council Secretary Patrushev: Special Military Operation in Ukraine Aimed at Protecting Russia
*Kremlin: Putin, Xi Had ‘Thorough Exchange’ on Monday Including on Chinese Peace Proposal for Ukraine, Declines Further Details
*Kremlin: Putin to Comment on Peace Plan Discussion Later
 
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Strange how Russia is now making noises about peace plans just as their exhausted army is about to face an imminent Ukrainian counter attack headed up with new western tanks, IFV's, MLRS and a fleet of additional MIG-29's.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Strange how Russia is now making noises about peace plans just as their exhausted army is about to face an imminent Ukrainian counter attack headed up with new western tanks, IFV's, MLRS and a fleet of additional MIG-29's.
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Noise out of Bakhmut is that Wagner can only sustain less than 2 weeks of offensive operations - if they don't crack it by then they'll have to fall back to defensive lines and it will precipitate the general fallback of the Russian forces on that front (which might spur Russia to up the resources available to them which currently they seem reluctant to do - at least going by the public disputes). EDIT: Might be partly why 106th airborne are being pushed into support Wagner.

EDIT: Interesting comment by someone - apparently Ukraine held the east side of the river just long enough for it to unfreeze as once it did it presents more of an obstacle.
 
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Rroff said:
Watch some videos from someone like ukraine_tbic - evacs are often messy and high risk - often people won't leave until the frontlines are on their doorstep. Can't remember which channel it was but watching one the other day where they were crouched by a wall at a building they were evacing people from who were living in the basement and you could hear rounds (this was big stuff 50 cal or 20/30mm) going close overhead, even hitting the building (they weren't directly the target - just in the line of fire of combat going on about a mile away).
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I do watch his videos already and sent him money a few days ago Not wanting to die definitely comes into the equation here, but finances are the biggest hurdle (not wanting to lose house, and leave my family unsupported because of something I am doing voluntarily).
 
Rroff said:
Noise out of Bakhmut is that Wagner can only sustain less than 2 weeks of offensive operations - if they don't crack it by then they'll have to fall back to defensive lines and it will precipitate the general fallback of the Russian forces on that front (which might spur Russia to up the resources available to them which currently they seem reluctant to do - at least going by the public disputes). EDIT: Might be partly why 106th airborne are being pushed into support Wagner.

EDIT: Interesting comment by someone - apparently Ukraine held the east side of the river just long enough for it to unfreeze as once it did it presents more of an obstacle.
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Saw a video last night that a little bit south of Bakhmut the Russians have been making a big armored push and making some gains.
 
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