Seen a lot of talk of observations, especially to the south, of Russian forces being grouped for a likely offensive - I suspect there is a make or break moment likely coming.
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Seen a lot of talk of observations, especially to the south, of Russian forces being grouped for a likely offensive - I suspect there is a make or break moment likely coming.
If i was the Ukraine side i would have lobbed a few missiles into the river to break up the ice and make it quick to unfreeze, even if it refroze the structural integrity of the ice would be much weaker and make it perilous for the Rus to cross
I reckon Wagner will take Bakhmut any minute now, but I doubt they can hold it for more than a month at most.
I this article explains what the US did in Ukraine nicely, but obviously a lot more will have gone on behind the scenes
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Great source.
"This article appeared in National Interest (Online) on August 6, 2017."
Writing in Politico, journalist James Kirchick argued in 2016 while commenting on Donald Trump's Russian relationships that The National Interest and its parent company "are two of the most Kremlin-sympathetic institutions in the nation’s capital, even more so than the Carnegie Moscow Center."
Problem is it doesn't give anywhere near enough weight to what Yanukovych did during his time in power and makes it sound like it was purely the US interviening and that there was no other desire from the Ukranian people for change. That is not what happened.
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He was the Democratically elected President of Ukraine, and he was pushed out with the help of the US. What interests me is the things that aren't going to make the news, like the level of involvement the CIA will have had in supporting those pro-EU demonstrations. This is obviously not ignoring the point that Russia did the same thing for the opposite side, but both sides interfered in Ukraine. The US claims to respect Democracy when clearly it doesn't.
Cool. Now comment on which parts you think aren't true, because it very clearly outlines the facts of what happened in Ukraine.
No, the Ukrainian Government pushed him out when the local Ukrainian population starting protesting and rioting and calling for his removal
Oh look, it's the lunatic libertarian Cato institute, with an article written for a pro-Russian media company. imaginemyshock.gif
Now let's break it down. The artlcle shows:
* Senator McCain (not a member of government) personally supported the demonstrators
* Nuland (also not a member of government) personally supported the demonstrators
* Nuland and Pyatt (also not a member of government) had conversations in which they discussed their preferences for a post-Yanukovych government
There's not a single example in the entire article of the US government interfering with Euromaidan, whether officially or unofficially. It's a complete nothingburger. Did you even bother to read it, or did you simply not understand what you were reading?
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Lmao, we're going with the defence of "not a member of government", just working for the government and interfering in Ukraine, so it's okay? You guys are actually so far gone there's no point. You literally are being paid by CNN to post here, right?
I'm sure nothing else happened on the ground the CIA was definitely not involved with any of those protests
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Even if what is written there is true, why does that mean it is ok for Russia to invade them, steal their land and bomb their children?
Again, Russia are just terminally butt-hurt about losing the influence and cultural battle with the west when it comes to the ex soviet states/eastern Europe.
They have lost so badly that they have now just resorted to using force....and they patently aren't very good at that either.
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He's not wrong, this is an absolute bargain in terms of money.
I stated in my previous post that it isn't ok for Russia to invade and Ukraine is a sovereign country. It isn't difficult to hold an objective view on this, for me at least.
They didn't lose a cultural battle, both Russia and the United States interfered in Ukraine and the US backed side won. The big problem being that we expected Putin to accept a pro Western government sat on it's borders edging closer to joining NATO and the EU every year. Which again is problematic because they're a sovereign country and have the right to do that, except are they still a sovereign country with free will if the US interfered in their elections and supported a pro-EU coup that kicked out the Democratically elected pro-Russian President? Who was himself in power while being supported by Russia, who interfered in the 2006 elections. It's a complete **** show.
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Lmao, we're going with the defence of "not a member of government", just working for the government and interfering in Ukraine, so it's okay? You guys are actually so far gone there's no point. You literally are being paid by CNN to post here, right?
I'm sure nothing else happened on the ground the CIA was definitely not involved with any of those protests
In the game of geo-politics I'm sure US and Russia are both interfering in lots of places they have no real business in, in this case as @Jono8 pointed out, Russia lost. You seem to call US out for doing this without realising that Russia are equally doing the same thing.
You can't change the will of people who are set against it, US can't influence Russia or China to act differently fundamentally.
Ukrainian people ultimately are fighting for what they believe is the best course of action for them, they are a sovereign nation who can make up their own minds.
But as I pointed out, you haven't shown any evidence of interference. Where is it? A non-government senator supporting protesters? Not interference. A civil servant giving cookies to protesters? Not interference. Private conversations between civil servants about post-Yanukovych Ukraine? Not interference (it's a legitimate part of their job!)
Interference looks like this:
* creating and funding fake 'grassroots' protest groups
* creating and funding political opposition parties
* creating and supporting local militia groups
* attacking foreign members of government, whether physically, psychologically, or financially
* taking clandestine measures to undermine the economy
* conducting special operations to sabotage infrastructure
That's just a few examples off the cuff. Are you honestly trying to tell me that the US successfully toppled Yanukovych by allowing a civil servant to hand out some cookies?
I'm sure nothing else happened on the ground the CIA was definitely not involved with any of those protests
If you have some evidence of that, please go ahead and show it. Yanukovych was universally loathed, but you want me to believe protests against him had to be organised by the CIA?
I stated in my post Russia did the same thing lol
Russia have lost the cultural battle. They have mostly either joined or want to join NATO.
All this misguided invasion has done is emboldened and expanded NATO.
Russia know full well that no Western NATO country is going to invade them for territory etc. They know full well there is no military threat to them and their internationally recognised land.
All this is, is Russia flailing for significance, in a world that is quickly leaving them behind.
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If you have some evidence of that, please go ahead and show it. Yanukovych was universally loathed, but you want me to believe protests against him had to be organised by the CIA?
Yeah I'll just go dig out all the evidence of CIA interference which is obviously so prevalent. The evidence is simply that the CIA budget is greater than the United Kingdoms defense budget and it's beneficial to US geopolitical strategy, so of course they're involved.
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