Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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bingham67 said:
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Has it been confirmed that they are getting the L27a1(CHARM 3)? Makes sense I guess, with the phase out of the rifled 120mm I guess we might as well get rid of old ammo stock. Also I highly doubt we hold stock of L28 (Tungsten perpetrator export version), they would likely have to start hassling Oman for stock if they were to go down that route.
 
Roar87 said:
Funny how the first 30 seconds are her saying what I've been saying. I'll listen to this.
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Do you think you have some amazing insight we don't Roar? We all know why Putin is doing it and she confirms it in that interview. He thinks he is a Tsar and he wants a return of the Russian Empire. Why he is doing it is irrelevant though, those are just his reasons, what matters is what Ukraine wants and Ukraine doesn't want to be under Russia's boot. For that reason alone we should back them but more importantly its stop him now or stop him later. Now is better.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Do you think you have some amazing insight we don't Roar? We all know why Putin is doing it and she confirms it in that interview. He thinks he is a Tsar and he wants a return of the Russian Empire. Why he is doing it is irrelevant though, those are just his reasons, what matters is what Ukraine wants and Ukraine doesn't want to be under Russia's boot. For that reason alone we should back them but more importantly its stop him now or stop him later. Now is better.
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What evidence do we have that he wants to recreate the Russian Empire though? I've never really understood that bit.

Have you listened to John Mearsheimer before? Pretty interesting stuff as well
 
Roar87 said:
Funny how the first 30 seconds are her saying what I've been saying. I'll listen to this.
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NPR has some great snippets: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/06/1043401926/russia-expert-fiona-hill-there-is-nothing-for-you-here

In November 2019, Hill became one of the key witnesses at then-President Donald Trump's first impeachment hearing, where she condemned the false narrative that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that interfered in the 2016 election, and described the Trump administration's parallel policy channel in Ukraine to get dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden.

Hill worked in the Trump White House as the top Russia expert. She watched Russian President Vladimir Putin manipulate Trump, she says, and observed as Trump increasingly resembled the authoritarian leaders he admired, including Putin.

"Trump himself was a massive counterintelligence risk, because of his vulnerabilities and the fragility of his ego," Hill says.
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Roar87 said:
Funny how the first 30 seconds are her saying what I've been saying. I'll listen to this.
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No - why she is saying it is totally different in reason and ideology compared to how you and some others are saying it. She is talking about not losing sight of cause and effect/consequences while responding to Putin while you are saying it in terms of justifying not taking action.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Fiona Hill on Lex Fridman. She starts talking about Putin and Ukraine at 1.40.48

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She has some quite intelligent insights - especially how people can manage to dissociate the negative aspects of someone/something if they think that person represents or can achieve something they want to see happen or needs to happen and don't appreciate that it comes as a package with that someone or something. Which is something I see a lot with those who support Corbyn or Chris Wilson's love for Putin.
 
Rroff said:
No - why she is saying it is totally different in reason and ideology compared to how you and some others are saying it. She is talking about not losing sight of cause and effect/consequences while responding to Putin while you are saying it in terms of justifying not taking action.
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Spot on. It is the same in the Musk thread. Super odd that they don't see it.
 
Scougar said:
NPR has some great snippets: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/06/1043401926/russia-expert-fiona-hill-there-is-nothing-for-you-here
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She talks about Trump a lot in that interview, she said she felt sorry for him as he was so easy to manipulate and everyone around him was manipulating him and he lacked the self awareness to know it. Though she did say he asked why they did a lot of things and some of them were justified and they should ask themselves why they do many of the things they do more often.
 
Roar87 said:
This US administration really has no intention of ending this war, it's like they want to fight this proxy conflict against Russia.
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Pretty sure I've asked you this before and received no answer, but I'll ask again: what should the US do to end this war?

The current White House position is that no resolution is possible unless Russia agrees to leave the occupied territories. This makes perfect sense, because otherwise Putin will simply use them as a beachhead for his next push deeper into Ukraine.

If the US administration had no intention of ending this war, they wouldn't have specified terms in the first place. But it's a moot point, because the only governments that can make a formal decision to end the war are Russia's and Ukraine's. The US can't just end the war unilaterally.

So again: what should the US do to end this war? And why aren't you complaining about Putin's obvious lack of intention to end the war?
 
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Rroff said:
She has some quite intelligent insights - especially how people can manage to dissociate the negative aspects of someone/something if they think that person represents or can achieve something they want to see happen or needs to happen and don't appreciate that it comes as a package with that someone or something. Which is something I see a lot with those who support Corbyn or Chris Wilson's love for Putin.
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She is probably up there as one of the top Russian experts in the US so its sensible to listen to her. She is good at keeping the personal politics out of it, with her upbringing and even educational route you'd expect her to be left leaning but its hard to nail her down like that.
 
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