Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I'm not sure if you're not reading the posts you reply too, or if maybe English isn't your first language. But I will try one more time to explain it to you.

If Russia invade Ukraine they are not going to send every single tank, soldier and plane in the entire country to do it, this would be stupid. Ukraine on the other hand can commit every single tank, soldier, etc to the resulting war as the equipment is already there and not needed for anything else (I.E guarding borders with China or NATO/EU members). This means Ukraine can utilize 100% of their military inventory, Russia cannot. This means that Russia's advantage in tank numbers disappears because they're not all there, this means they would have even numbers at best and be outnumbered at worst.

It also means that because they would be relying mostly on T-72 plus some T-80/90 and Ukraine would be relying mostly on T-64 plus some T-80/84 that Russian tank units would be facing equipment of equal performance at best and superior performance at worst.

I'm sorry but I cannot explain it any simpler than this.

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But to reiterate the original point, no Russia would not easily win the ground war without air superiority due to superior tanks and tank numbers as they have neither.

But anyhow, that is whatever. Out of all the issues I raised with your previous post - this one seems key to you.

So any more points about BUK or your top 8 list which put top of the line upgraded T-90 somewhere almost at the bottom?

Are you going to address the issue that T-72B3 can compete with T-64 Bulat while being minorly inferior? Ukraine only has 100 or so of them meanwhile Russia has almost 1400 of T-72 upgraded to that level and more (T-72B3M).

So realistically, Ukraine will be using minorly modified T-64 against vastly modified T-72B3 and T-72B3M. That is before we take into consideration Russians brining out 2-3K of upgraded T-80's as per Roff and media - you seem to completely ignore that point. Ukranian T-80's will be outmatched by Russia with almost 1 to 10 ratio.

Ukranian top dog tank T-84 Oplot which can compete with T-90S/M they only have 5 or so of them.

I'm just confused as how you came to conclusion that even if Russia can commit half of their tank armada, they will be outmatched in quantity and quality. When in most cases they will be facing bottom of the barrel modification of T-64 and perhaps run into equally slightly better T-64 Bulat. If we believe media about T-80's numbers then main battle tank for Russian would be upgraded T-80 going against Ukrainian T-64 and T-80's.

How can you look at all of that and come to conclusion that Russia will be outgunned and outnumbered on battlefield with tanks.

Your 1 to 8 tank list needs its own thread on how you managed to put upgraded to the top T-90 below T-64.

Once again to reiterate even if we forget existence of thousands upgraded Russian T-80's that were bought and ugpraded specifically to invade Ukraine. We are left with T-72B3 and T-72B3M which once again can compete evenly or slightly worse than fully upgraded T-64 Bulat. Therefore any T-64 below Bulat upgrade level - would be inferior to T-72B3 and T-72B3M. The problem is that there is only 100 T-64 Bulats meanwhile 1400 of T-72B3 and above modification. All the T-64 apart from 100 Bulats are of very basic upgrade and are inferior to T-72B3 and T-72BM3.

Once again, this is before we talk about elephant in the room of thousands upgraded Russian T-80's.

Lastly, I really don't think tanks will be deciding factor in a ground war at all. So why are we even going at it - I dont know.
 
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The last few days, the BBC are often heading their website articles with photographs of Ukraine civil guard (or whatever) exercises. Those photos show Ukrainian tanks live firing exercises, people with petrol bombs etc.

Personally, I think that is creating a misleading impression that fighting has already started.

Ukraine has been fighting this war for 8 years already (maybe not at the intensity of a full invasion, but still), it's honestly baffling how the media have portrayed it.
 
Ukraine has been fighting this war for 8 years already (maybe not at the intensity of a full invasion, but still), it's honestly baffling how the media have portrayed it.

Most of the reporting feels to me like tub-thumping idiocy at the moment.

I really don't know what the options are in the event of a Russian land grab. A shooting war? Sanctions? A proxy war within Europe?
 
Most of the reporting feels to me like tub-thumping idiocy at the moment.

I really don't know what the options are in the event of a Russian land grab. A shooting war? Sanctions? A proxy war within Europe?

If Russia starts "shooting" then a "shooting war" won't be optional.
 
I wonder if things kick off, will we keep intelligence drones in Ukraine's sky and dare Russia to shoot them? I mean even if they shoot them down, we can just bill them x10 price of one through sanctions or frozen funds.
 
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2 x B-52's are up from RAF Fairford Chief 11 and Chief 12, I think there is a NATO exercise going on somewhere.

I just see that where they off to Spain?
 
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