Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
I mean Russia mobilising 70% of it's armed forces on the border with Ukraine would reasonably indicate a planned invasion, you seem annoyed that we couldn't establish their intent with 100% certainty?
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Annoyed ?

They aren’t gonna practice on the Kazakhstan boarder are they
 
Simon said:
Annoyed ?

They aren’t gonna practice on the Kazakhstan boarder are they
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They occupied and annexed Crimea and have been fighting skirmishes with Ukraine since 2014, it's not like we're accusing an otherwise benevolent Russia of planning an invasion because they're running normal military exercises. Russia seems to think their sovereignty extends beyond their actual borders, if they're upset Ukraine has moved towards a Western sphere of influence then maybe they should ask themselves why that is
 
Uther said:
I wonder if there'll be some urgency to get Ukraine into NATO now?
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If there was some meaningful way Ukraine could give up those occupied territories then it would be one less reason why Ukraine could not join.

The only country that wants Ukraine to join NATO is Ukraine :)
 
Credit given were credit due, these Russians are sly.

Make some noise, get the media hysterical, get what they want in the back room and then play it off as a training exercise. I wonder if this was the end game from the beginning, or maybe it was actually a training exercise and they took advantage of the situation given to them.
 
The BBC headline made me laugh. Yes, those 2 troops in the picture were pulled back. Just them.
Although they appear to be running in the wrong direction. Ukraine is left, Russia is right.

I'm weird.

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ChroniC said:
Wouldn't it be a really easy way to get your troops and tanks killed or destroyed by being terrible at keeping invasion plans secret. Is Ukraine literally incapable of fighting back and it makes no odds if they know, or is it just bull****.
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While the element of surprise is arguably the most powerful weapon in war, it is not always *required*.

If you have overwhelming force vs your target, you can telegraph your intentions and possibly even demoralize your enemy in the process.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Credit given were credit due, these Russians are sly.

Make some noise, get the media hysterical, get what they want in the back room and then play it off as a training exercise. I wonder if this was the end game from the beginning, or maybe it was actually a training exercise and they took advantage of the situation given to them.
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Maskirovkas within Maskirovkas, my friend.
 
Looks like the western alliance has bent Putin over backwards. Now he has to send his troops back looking weak and disgraced!

Putin was SHOCKED by the NATO and Western world resolve in protecting Ukraine. A Russian dictator was taken by surprise and overwhelmed by United

I guess the above will be the rhetoric parroted shortly. Which honestly, is silly as we handed Putin way too many benefits with this. One being that UK and US officially sunk their Budapest Memorandum commitments by declaring that they will not fight Russians. That is before you consider Putin scoring yet more at home propaganda. Lastly, damage to Ukranian economy and trust has been substantial.

But I guess the world has to keep going and no one wants to look at deeper issues. Some hoorah here and there is enough.

Sooner or later, the debt will have to be paid for not dealing with Putin in a proper way. Aka destabilazing his support and leadership in Russia - rather than entrenching it.
 
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