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Rilot said:
The BBC headline made me laugh. Yes, those 2 troops in the picture were pulled back. Just them.
Although they appear to be running in the wrong direction. Ukraine is left, Russia is right.

I'm weird.

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I read this post in Goldmember's voice. Ha, isn't that veird!
 
Rilot said:
The BBC headline made me laugh. Yes, those 2 troops in the picture were pulled back. Just them.
Although they appear to be running in the wrong direction. Ukraine is left, Russia is right.

I'm weird.
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They could have just sent back the troops due for a rotation, simply the arrivals replaced them holding the number static.

Well perhaps Truss and Boris end up a little less slap happy, a little more diplomatic and a little more mature... #watchthisspaceformorescandleanddumbhashtagisms(100% unlikely)
 
There seems to be plenty of sources suggesting that further reinforcements are arriving even as some troops head home; hell if its 10,000 going home then really its nothing in the grand scheme of what else is arrayed around Ukraine.
You do wonder though; if Russia ends up doing nothing; how did US/UK intelligence get it so wrong?
 
Ukraine has some more anti tank stuff. Putin looks (is) weakened. Maybe an internal coup. They should still be sanctioned. Finally still adding years to Navalny prison term.
 
chrismscotland said:
There seems to be plenty of sources suggesting that further reinforcements are arriving even as some troops head home; hell if its 10,000 going home then really its nothing in the grand scheme of what else is arrayed around Ukraine.
You do wonder though; if Russia ends up doing nothing; how did US/UK intelligence get it so wrong?
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What have they got wrong? The fact they can't read the mind of Putin? Are you a Russian spy bot?
 
chrismscotland said:
There seems to be plenty of sources suggesting that further reinforcements are arriving even as some troops head home; hell if its 10,000 going home then really its nothing in the grand scheme of what else is arrayed around Ukraine.
You do wonder though; if Russia ends up doing nothing; how did US/UK intelligence get it so wrong?
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What would they have got wrong?

Russia deciding not to go through with it doesn't make what the US/UK have said wrong.
 
chrismscotland said:
You do wonder though; if Russia ends up doing nothing; how did US/UK intelligence get it so wrong?
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I'd say quite easily as it's virtually a no win situation. Russia can do 99.9999999% of everything necessary for an invasion and at the literal last second Putin can say "nope" and we'll look like over-reacting fools.

The problem is we can't stop over reacting because the one time we don't (as people get sick and tired of hearing "invasion" for the dozenth time) is when something would happen, and then we'd all be "OMG how didn't the Intel spot this" etc.
 
Maybe Biden got his diplomatically secret sanction threats right - Boris&Truss was like the proverbial savaged by dead sheep.

Boris doubling-down and suggesting it is a double bluff - just because that would be his macheovelic approach (to wit brexit) -
is boris saying there was no intelligence of field hospitals until today ?
 
chrismscotland said:
There seems to be plenty of sources suggesting that further reinforcements are arriving even as some troops head home; hell if its 10,000 going home then really its nothing in the grand scheme of what else is arrayed around Ukraine.
You do wonder though; if Russia ends up doing nothing; how did US/UK intelligence get it so wrong?
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If Putin has the budget to pile up troops on the border and pull them back, then it's just a matter of preparing to invade, looking at the situation on the ground, and then making the decision.

Russia has put everything in place to invade. Now it just comes down to Putin and what he chooses.

The international community has to look at Russia's *actions* and prepare accordingly. Even if we have intercepted a conversation between Putin and his Generals where he comes out and says "we will invade this Wednsday." Nothing is stopping Putin from changing his mind at the last minute.

That doesn't make the intell "wrong."

Putin is effectivly pointing a gun at a target and putting his finger on the trigger. He can decide to pull the trigger at any moment.
 
Roar87 said:
What have they got wrong? The fact they can't read the mind of Putin? Are you a Russian spy bot?
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Jono8 said:
What would they have got wrong?

Russia deciding not to go through with it doesn't make what the US/UK have said wrong.
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ianh said:
I'd say quite easily as it's virtually a no win situation. Russia can do 99.9999999% of everything necessary for an invasion and at the literal last second Putin can say "nope" and we'll look like over-reacting fools.

The problem is we can't stop over reacting because the one time we don't (as people get sick and tired of hearing "invasion" for the dozenth time) is when something would happen, and then we'd all be "OMG how didn't the Intel spot this" etc.
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The UK and US seem to be the only two nations who have been "convinced" that Russia is about to walk over the border; listening to other European nations they just aren't getting the same conclusions from presumably similar intelligence (you'd assume its coming largely via NATO assets)

jpaul said:
Maybe Biden got his diplomatically secret sanction threats right - Boris&Truss was like the proverbial savaged by dead sheep.

Boris doubling-down and suggesting it is a double bluff - just because that would be his macheovelic approach (to wit brexit) -
is boris saying there was no intelligence of field hospitals until today ?
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If Putin pulls back then clearly something has been agreed between Russia, the US and Ukraine (or rather Ukraine probably pressured into accepting it).
Agree though Boris and Truss have been made to look pretty amateur on the world stage
 
Twinz said:
If Putin has the budget to pile up troops on the border and pull them back, then it's just a matter of preparing to invade, looking at the situation on the ground, and then making the decision.

Russia has put everything in place to invade. Now it just comes down to Putin and what he chooses.

The international community has to look at Russia's *actions* and prepare accordingly. Even if we have intercepted a conversation between Putin and his Generals where he comes out and says "we will invade this Wednsday." Nothing is stopping Putin from changing his mind at the last minute.

That doesn't make the intell "wrong."

Putin is effectivly pointing a gun at a target and putting his finger on the trigger. He can decide to pull the trigger at any moment.
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I do agree with you on this; its the one bit of genuine power that Putin has over Europe; one click of his finger and he can have 100,000 troops on the border within a matter of days; the UK would struggle to get about 1,000 troops ready to deploy in a month... he has certainly been "flexing" with movements and exercises before.
I just don't get why the UK and US are hyping it all up but no-one else is; that said I suspect its being used to try and deflect from Boris' problems and Biden's appalling approval ratings.
 
chrismscotland said:
I do agree with you on this; its the one bit of genuine power that Putin has over Europe; one click of his finger and he can have 100,000 troops on the border within a matter of days; the UK would struggle to get about 1,000 troops ready to deploy in a month... he has certainly been "flexing" with movements and exercises before.
I just don't get why the UK and US are hyping it all up but no-one else is; that said I suspect its being used to try and deflect from Boris' problems and Biden's appalling approval ratings.
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UK and US are using this news to cover up problems at home
 
chrismscotland said:
I do agree with you on this; its the one bit of genuine power that Putin has over Europe; one click of his finger and he can have 100,000 troops on the border within a matter of days; the UK would struggle to get about 1,000 troops ready to deploy in a month... he has certainly been "flexing" with movements and exercises before.
I just don't get why the UK and US are hyping it all up but no-one else is; that said I suspect its being used to try and deflect from Boris' problems and Biden's appalling approval ratings.
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andicole0 said:
UK and US are using this news to cover up problems at home
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I have no doubt Boris' & co visit was indeed to draw attention away from domestic stuff as he was getting hammered for the no10 parties. However, I really think it's just happy coincidence for him. The buffoon. They even managed to make a mess of that.
As for Biden, while adamant it looks like an invasion is imminent he's also been anything but hawkish when it comes to US involvement. He clearly wants no part in having US vs Russian troops. Sensibly too.
Germany I suspect are low balling it a bit. I think due to their energy dependency on Russia. Berlin can get very very cold in the winter! Best not to rile Russia. If Russia does step over the line then I suspect Germany will join the rest in sanctions and condemnation (and probably supplies to Ukraine if they don't collapse). Their supply pipeline would be less than dependable during a war anyway so would make no odds.
 
Hagar said:
Putin looks (is) weakened. Maybe an internal coup. They should still be sanctioned.
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Not really sure how you reached that conclusion. If anything, the guy is basking in glory at home as this whole western hysteria has unified everyone around Putin even more. Not everyone of course, but made his supporters louder.
 
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Hagar said:
Ukraine has some more anti tank stuff. Putin looks (is) weakened. Maybe an internal coup. They should still be sanctioned. Finally still adding years to Navalny prison term.
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Putin would have to lose or suffer an extreme amount of casualties for that to happen. 1. Possible, 2. More likely. However a coup is never guaranteed
 
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