Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Nate75]

Ukraine dam: What we know about Nova Kakhovka incident

Catastrophic floods engulf towns and villages in southern Ukraine after a major dam was destroyed.

www.bbc.co.uk

The Beeb link says Russian-controlled?

Here we go again, get out of Ukraine and guess what, this wouldn't be a topic.

 

[Grim5]

Satellite photos from a week ago apparently show some damage and then worse a few days ago. It's "possible" that this is not caused by either side but is a result of zero maintenance after earlier damage and a full reservoir. I say again "possible".

Explosions have been recorded in video coming from under the water line right against the dam - many videos on Twitter

What I'm wondering though is if this could be unintentional but self inflicted. The explosions, at least the ones I've seen so far are from anti tank mines hitting the dam or other objects in the river and blowing.

And we know from the data that the Russians had the gates closed and the water level was rising rapidly in the last week or two and ended up rising much higher than normal either due to incompetence or because the gates were stuck.

So a potential theory is that these land mines, which were placed on the left bank of the river to try and stop Ukraine from crossing the river were dislodged due to the increase in water level and flow rate, once dislodged the mines floated down the river and hit the dam where they started detonating

 

[ubersonic]

So a potential theory is that these land mines, which were placed on the left bank of the river to try and stop Ukraine from crossing the river were dislodged due to the increase in water level and flow rate, once dislodged the mines floated down the river and hit the dam where they started detonating

Considering Russia's demonstrated competence over the past year+ this is now the most plausible explanation provided thus far.

It is somewhat comical that we're at the point where a scenario that sounds like the ending plot point of a Carry On film sounds more credible than the idea of the Russian military successfully sabotaging a dam xD

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Looking at some of the latest stuff that water level looks really really high.
I wonder how high the breach level would be.

I am now starting to come round to thinking it wasn't blown up and that they had already managed to get it to a critical point from deliberate or inept management.
Dams tend to not be built to allow the water to hit the top but that looks high.

Even more odd now.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Considering Russia's demonstrated competence over the past year+ this is now the most plausible explanation provided thus far.

It is somewhat comical that we're at the point where a scenario that sounds like the ending plot point of a Carry On film sounds more credible than the idea of the Russian military successfully sabotaging a dam xD

Agreed

Carry on comrade

 

[Minusorange]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666186127500275714

 

[arknor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666126273461080065

you can always trust the USA gov to be honest, just go ask the CIA about all their regime change tactics.

USA bastion of truth, but you have to wait about 30 years for it.

Was it the USA with the WMD info too about Iraq?



At this point does it even matter who blew it up anyway, we all know most of the truth won't come out until much later after the war is finished and then it's likely to be both sides as bad as each other

 

[Scougar]

One of the saddest parts that often get overlooked about this war, is that when Russia bombard Ukrainian positions they destroy Ukrainian homes, schools, hospitals, etc. And when Ukraine bombards Russian positions back they destroy Ukrainian homes, schools, hospitals, etc. Russia have no problem being cavalier about infrastructure when it's not their infrastructure



Possible, I doubt Russia has prioritised repairing the earlier damage when they don't even repair stuff in their own country until it falls down

They don't give a damn if it's in their country. Look what they did with the very small first incursion into Russia by the Free Russia Legion. They jets to bomb the area, and through artillery at the problem.

 

[Scougar]

At this point does it even matter who blew it up anyway, we all know most of the truth won't come out until much later after the war is finished and then it's likely to be both sides as bad as each other

At the end of the day, it's Russia that's to blame. They invaded, they caused the problem.

 

[VincentHanna]

At this point does it even matter who blew it up anyway, we all know most of the truth won't come out until much later after the war is finished and then it's likely to be both sides as bad as each other

The side that are defending their homeland from child stealing rapist invaders are objectively not "as bad" as the other.

 

[Grim5]

Unknown technology

 

[Grim5]

They've captured a leopard and brought it back to Moscow for Putin

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666212833435025411

 

[Sankari]

Oh boy. This is spicy.

'U.S. had intelligence of detailed Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream pipeline.'

Not a smoking gun, but certainly a whiff of cordite.

 

[Scougar]

Oh boy. This is spicy.

'U.S. had intelligence of detailed Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream pipeline.'

Not a smoking gun, but certainly a whiff of cordite.

I mean... good on them if they did? Not that it was really in use anyway.

 

[Grim5]

translation from Prighozin in todays update from him

"Today, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation posted an impressive work of tourists. These frames show how the Leopard tanks move in a strange tactical maneuver towards each other. These tanks are disguised as agricultural combines. Their muzzles are bent down. However, this did not prevent our tourists to see enemy equipment in them. The behavior of dill is especially outrageous. These ******** have learned to disguise tanks as combines, and tankers as companions. Thank you guys for your excellent work. We will destroy everything that has a bent muzzle."

 

[Grim5]

Preliminary update from Ukraine's ministry of agriculture

25 thousand acres of farm land has been flooded on the right side of the river. The left side is difficult to asses as it's under Russian control but it's estimated to be significantly more flooded land on the left side. In addition, 31 irrigation networks which supply several million acres of farm land has run dry, which is estimated to result in the loss of $2 billion of grain


Wholesale global grain prices have increased by 2.4% today

 

[NickK]

Preliminary update from Ukraine's ministry of agriculture

25 thousand acres of farm land has been flooded on the right side of the river. The left side is difficult to asses as it's under Russian control but it's estimated to be significantly more flooded land on the left side. In addition, 31 irrigation networks which supply several million acres of farm land has run dry, which is estimated to result in the loss of $2 billion of grain


Wholesale global grain prices have increased by 2.4% today

Indeed - if you looked at the outcomes, ie impact on grain and effect on slowing the retreat then you could easily conclude this is Russia's work as a scorched earth/denial policy.

 

[Sankari]

I mean... good on them if they did? Not that it was really in use anyway.

Vatniks will be fuming now that they can't blame the West for this.

 

[Orangeade]

Lol honestly.

This is the sort of thing the BBC puts in "Neither Ukraine or Russia's claim has been verified by the BBC."
You cannot get much more impartial than that, especially when the weight of likelyhood falls on the Russians causing it*

"Russia has denied destroying the dam - which it controls - instead blaming Ukrainian shelling."
Damn those Ukrainian shells are so accurate there is literally no damage at all outside the area that has gone.
We know some weapons the Ukrainians have are super accurate, but much of what they have is ex soviet un-accurate level stuff**
Its BS, the Ukrainians were not shelling that dam at all let alone to the level needed to cause it to fail.

* through deliberate or ineptitude.
** by western definition. Accurate by Russian standards seems to be did you hit the city you were aiming at?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/06/orangeade-the-latest-russian-appologist

Yesterday morning the news story was different it was edited later to add an element of impartiality...

Already we're now seeing people already saying hmm could have been damage.

The reality is that we don't know and our reporting should be unbiased as we are living in an age of deep misinformation where we cannot trust random **** on social media.

Otherwise we're fed **** and end up like parrots

 

[Orangeade]

I mean... good on them if they did? Not that it was really in use anyway.

And yet a few months ago, people were frothing at the act of aggression, war crimes etc.

Again it still could have been the Russians, US, UK, Ukraine, or just a **** construction. But everyone was wagged in one direction. (Reminds me of the film wag the dog...)