Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Ukraine have proven that slow moving cruise missiles are completely ineffective and can be picked off by manpads and even some chad with an AK, let alone sophisticated AD systems. They have a very solid point. The likes of tomahawks will likely be just as vulnerable.

Er, is Himars also useless then?
 
Ukraine have proven that slow moving cruise missiles are completely ineffective and can be picked off by manpads and even some chad with an AK, let alone sophisticated AD systems. They have a very solid point. The likes of tomahawks will likely be just as vulnerable.

Yet here we have storm Shadow wrecking havoc against the Russians very successfully happens to be subsonic.
 
Yet here we have storm Shadow wrecking havoc against the Russians very successfully happens to be subsonic.
That dosnt mean it will be successful in future conflicts. Lets not forget that not only will Russia be learning but also other potential hostile nations that we may face in the future.
 
Ukraine have proven that slow moving cruise missiles are completely ineffective and can be picked off by manpads and even some chad with an AK, let alone sophisticated AD systems. They have a very solid point. The likes of tomahawks will likely be just as vulnerable.


Lmao

Yes, but if you pay closer attention you'll also see Russian missiles are hitting targets in ukraine that's not its capital city

Kyiv's air defence started out quite weak even though they did have air defence systems, it didn't improve until a dozen western systems arrived to fill the gaps. To have a high rate of effectiveness the systems need to overlap and you need a lot of them to avoid being overwhelmed

Ukraine is having no issue hitting Russian targets with storm shadows because they are hitting targets that don't have a type of Kyiv air defence network in place. It's very expensive to have a dozen SAMs and radar systems in every area where you have military equipment. Regardless of how well Kyiv is defended today, it has no bearing how easy it will be to hit other military targets
 
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Lmao

Yes, but if you pay closer attention you'll also see Russian missiles are hitting targets in ukraine that's not its capital city

Kyiv's air defence started out quite weak even though they did have air defence systems, it didn't improve until a dozen western systems arrived to fill the gaps. To have a high rate of effectiveness the systems need to overlap and you need a lot of them to avoid being overwhelmed

Ukraine is having no issue hitting Russian targets with storm shadows because they are hitting targets that don't have a type of Kyiv air defence network in place. It's very expensive to have a dozen SAMs and radar systems in every area where you have military equipment. Regardless of how well Kyiv is defended today, it has no bearing how easy it will be to hit other military targets
Storm Shadow is a stealth system ;)
 
Storm Shadow is a stealth system ;)
To some extent. My understanding (Albeit far from expert) is that, whilst it does have some "stealth" characteristics. Though in this case its classed as low observability, owing to its angular shape, materials used and also its flight path characteristics. Making it difficult to track on radar. It isnt infallible, fire enough of them and Russia will eventually luck out. This is more down to ineffectual Russian Air Defense though. Thats not to say it isnt an effective weapon, it will likely prove less effective in future conflicts though.
 
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[Jun 13 2023, 12:20:21 EST]: U.S. ANNOUNCES $325 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE INCLUDING MUNITIONS AND VEHICLES
 
Like every stealth system - use enough of them in repeatable ways and they other side will figure out what to do. AFU have asked for Tauraus KEPD 350, and rumour mill alight with JASSM heading that way as well (can be used already on F16)
 
Like every stealth system - use enough of them in repeatable ways and they other side will figure out what to do. AFU have asked for Tauraus KEPD 350, and rumour mill alight with JASSM heading that way as well (can be used already on F16)
I was under the impression that Germany kiboshed any aspiration for Tauraus. Though if F16 is eventually provided I could see JASSM being a strong possibility.
 
I was under the impression that Germany kiboshed any aspiration for Tauraus. Though if F16 is eventually provided I could see JASSM being a strong possibility.

I expect that its the hush hush condition of those rounds (oh you mean we actually only have 150 that might work) but the politicians are getting `flak` again about it
 
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Very Interesting! I always thought that the short sighted descision to go with ramps instead of CATOBAR was a mistake. I fully expect this study to never see fruition though. That would be a massive and extremely costly redesign job to retrofit to QE class. I do think it would be beneficial in the long run and would allow future aircraft purchases to be more flexible.
Whilst I do find the technical capability of the 35B impressive, the STOVL capability has too many drawbacks and added complication in my opinion.
 
Very Interesting! I always thought that the short sighted descision to go with ramps instead of CATOBAR was a mistake. I fully expect this study to never see fruition though. That would be a massive and extremely costly redesign job to retrofit to QE class. I do think it would be beneficial in the long run and would allow future aircraft purchases to be more flexible.
Whilst I do find the technical capability of the 35B impressive, the STOVL capability has too many drawbacks and added complication in my opinion.

It`ll only be EMALS-Lite ; so limited to kit under 55,000lbs wet , so no super hornet, F35C etc. From the designs i`ve seen , unless they decide to go angled deck , the best option would be to run a cat for Vixen along side the ramp. But, if im hoenst, it`ll just be cheaper to buy more F35B.
 
Russian MoD posts video of a destroyed T80 and claims it is Ukrainian, but in the video is a dead Russian soldier on the tank with his Russian arm patch clearly visible

Can't post link, it's on Twitter
 
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Very Interesting! I always thought that the short sighted descision to go with ramps instead of CATOBAR was a mistake.
It was a purely financial decision, same as when the previous carriers were ordered STOVL to save money, and same as when their predecessors were converted from CATOBAR to STOVL (in that case upgrading them to be compatible with newer generations of CATOBAR aircraft was deemed prohibitively expensive). The government thinking has always been that it's better to cheap out on the carrier and then buy more expensive (albeit less capable) aircraft as that way you can spread the cost out more. Obviously it has kicked us in the backside on multiple occasions (I.E Argentina would never have set foot on the Falklands if we had multiple carriers loaded with F-14s instead of harriers).


That would be a massive and extremely costly redesign job to retrofit to QE class. I do think it would be beneficial in the long run and would allow future aircraft purchases to be more flexible.
IIRC when the Con-Dem coalition came to power in 2010 they ordered a study into the cost of switching the then under construction carriers to CATOBAR, the cost combined with how far along the STOVL construction was made changing financially unviable. However the fact a major war has kicked off in Europe may now have made having decent aircraft carriers more of a financial priority.


Russian MoD posts video of a destroyed T80 and claims it is Ukrainian, but in the video is a dead Russian soldier on the tank with his Russian arm patch clearly visible
All the tanks/planes that Russia destroys are Ukrainian, especially the Russian ones :p

For anyone who doesn't get it, this is a call back to when they shot down their own Su-35 (may have been an Su-34) then claimed it was Ukrainian and they meant to do it (despite Ukraine having never owned such aircraft).
 
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Am still hoping Putin ends up getting knocked off and the Russia has to recall it's army to keep the peace. I can only imagine the chaos the power struggle would cause in Russia tho.
 
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