Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Bakhmut is seeing steady Ukraine gains both north and south, but now also into the city itself as well.

Unless the Russians retreat, at this rate they will probably be cut off in July.
The static defenses are far less around this area, since the Russians were on the offensive and not digging in.
It really could be the area they trigger the first large breakout.

Obviously maps vary so pinch of salt.

 

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Bazzards said:
I don’t like the idea of them, but if they do the job. Precision, may be too accurate, if you don’t know where the enemy is exactly, clusters can be used.
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Most importantly, the Ukrainians do and on their own land. They’re going to have to clear the mines eventually anyway and at least they’ll know where they’ve used these weapons and where to clear.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
Public over-reaction. All weapons are hideous. Cluster weapons are no more hideous than any other way to poke holes in your body.
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That's not true. The problem with cluster munitions isn't the way they kill the people they're targetting, it's the way the leave the area littered with explosives that then kill or maim civilians, potentially long after the fact. They have a particularly bad record for maiming and killing children. There's a reason over a hundred countries, the UK included, have banned their use and stockpiling by international treaty.

CaptainRAVE said:
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What a load of complete bull. There are far more people who were condemning Russia for its use of these weapons who have become silent now.
 
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"Russia shelled Lyman in Donetsk region today. At least 6 people died, 5 wounded - head of Donetsk regional military administration. "

I won't post the Tweet as the embedded pictures show what appears to be a child and their push bike blurred out.

If sending cluster ammo helps remove Russia then so be it. I believe the dud rate is less then 3% on the US supplied stock. And could be presumably be cleared after the event using the same tech used to clear mines?
 
CaptainRAVE said:

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Nah, that's a stupid take on it.

People are outraged at Russia for their whole incursion into Ukraine and everything that has occurred within it - including but not limited to, targetting and attacking of civilian areas, blowing up major infrastructure (the dam), torture and execution of civilians and military prisoners and yes cluster munitions.

Like I said, we as a Country have banned the use of cluster munitions, we did that whilst knowing they are an effective munition, so we obviously thought the cons outweigh the pro's. So a) it doesn't seem right to support their use and b) "The Russians did it first" is rather infantile.
 
Rroff said:
Can't say I'm very happy about it, but Russia has the option of packing their bags and going home, Ukraine does not.
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I’m sure if another nation occupied parts of the UK and were raping and kidnapping our children we’d want to use anything at our disposal too, especially if the invaders were already using those weapons. That said, as in WW2 there will always be those who welcome the enemy through the gates.
 
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Grim5 said:
If you bothered to read the pentagon statement you'd know that US production of HE 155mm rounds can't keep up with Ukraine's usage rate and to prevent US stockpiles running too low, they are switching to sending DPICM rounds while extra production of HE is being constructed - once HE production has increased, supplies to Ukraine of DPICM cluster rounds will cease
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It's crazy to think that Ukraine are using more than the US production capacity, even with the cushion of the stockpiles of other nations having been sent already.

It goes to show the scale of what us happening.
 
CapitalOne said:
The pro russian faux outrage at this reminds me of all the other faux outrages that these loons love to crow about, like Farage’s bank account.

Quit the faux outrage and be honest for once.
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Its the same lot over and over.

You can correct your misthinking though mate, go and watch a few Russell Brand videos and you shall see the light!
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
They are doing fine.

Offensive operations went on until November last year. No reason to assume they will not this year.

Why is everyone expecting a Zerg rush? There may well be breakouts and you may see some thunder runs.
Ukraine values its people highly and is doing everything they can to keep them safe whilst undertaking difficult operations.
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The deployment of such a contentious weapon would suggest otherwise. Unfortunately this war will not be fought and won with Ukrainian bravery and resolve alone but rather more depend on the willingness of western backers to supply ever increasing amounts of weaponry. We all better hope for a 'Zerg' rush because sooner or later, western politicians and countries are going to loss interest, particulary if this drags out into a statemate.

SpellowHouse said:
...It is not doing well as they would like. They are having trouble with Russian minefields and trenches. Both of these are ideal targets for cluster munitions.
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Except they are ideal for neither. Troops in the open, light skinned vehicles, and area denial by creating minefields.
 
RxR said:
Isnt Russell Brand a comedian?
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Debateable ;)

esmozz said:
The deployment of such a contentious weapon would suggest otherwise. Unfortunately this war will not be fought and won with Ukrainian bravery and resolve alone but rather more depend on the willingness of western backers to supply ever increasing amounts of weaponry. We all better hope for a 'Zerg' rush because sooner or later, western politicians and countries are going to loss interest, particulary if this drags out into a statemate.



Except they are ideal for neither. Troops in the open, light skinned vehicles, and area denial by creating minefields.
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It would only suggest it if your not following the details.
 
HungryHippos said:
People keep saying they'll lose interest, but hasn't happened yet.

I don't see them losing interest, this isn't a fight that Russia can be allowed to win.

The nations invested in this outcome going against Russia aren't tiktok influencers, they won't get bored after 5 minutes.
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Would have lost interest by now if that was the case.

I do worry a little though about the Trump factor.
 
Grim5 said:
If you bothered to read the pentagon statement you'd know that US production of HE 155mm rounds can't keep up with Ukraine's usage rate and to prevent US stockpiles running too low, they are switching to sending DPICM rounds while extra production of HE is being constructed - once HE production has increased, supplies to Ukraine of DPICM cluster rounds will cease
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That could be true - it could also be the case they completely made that up in order to justify the use of what are arguably illegal weapons. And in this case I would suggest its going to be much harder to turn off the tap than turn it on.

If you think both sides don't engage in propaganda then you're naive.
 
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