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I don’t like the idea of them, but if they do the job. Precision, may be too accurate, if you don’t know where the enemy is exactly, clusters can be used.
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Hypocrisy, thy name is America.
What are cluster bombs and why is US sending them to Ukraine?
Cluster bombs are banned by more than 100 countries - so the move will likely draw intense criticism.www.bbc.com
Quite interesting that even the BBC which is as pro Ukrainian as you can get still clearly recognises the erosion of decency. This has to be one of the lowest moves in the war so far. The use of cluster munitions is awful and will blight the country for years to come. Just because the Ukrainian and Russian forces have used already in the conflict doesn't mean it should be adopted.
Now in the future we are likely to see the use of such munitions openly in worldwide conflicts with far less oversight and it will be mocked when we protest. The Russians will probably use in their dirty deals in Africa with impunity. This move has killed countless people in the future.
And yes I'm passionate about this topic beyond the scope of this conflict. These are evil weapons with their effects on civilian population well known.
And if you actually bothered going back and reading the news at the time, you'd know that vacuum bombs and cluster munitions used against military targets are not a war crime, what is a war crime is using them in highly populated civilian population centres which is what Russia did - and furthermore the US has asked Ukraine to agree not to use DPICM shells in any towns in Ukraine or Russia because as mentioned above that would be a war crime, but using them against military targets out in open fields is perfectly fine and legal
Now go back and find more Russian propaganda to come shill at us, your payment in Rubles will be held back till find something more convincing
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Bakhmut is seeing steady Ukraine gains both north and south, but now also into the city itself as well.
Unless the Russians retreat, at this rate they will probably be cut off in July.
The static defenses are far less around this area, since the Russians were on the offensive and not digging in.
It really could be the area they trigger the first large breakout.
Obviously maps vary so pinch of salt.
Unless the Russians retreat, at this rate they will probably be cut off in July.
The static defenses are far less around this area, since the Russians were on the offensive and not digging in.
It really could be the area they trigger the first large breakout.
Obviously maps vary so pinch of salt.
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Applicable to some of the Russian supporters in this thread.
Most importantly, the Ukrainians do and on their own land. They’re going to have to clear the mines eventually anyway and at least they’ll know where they’ve used these weapons and where to clear.
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Everything about this special military operation is on Russia. So they reap what they sow. All actions and death would stop if they left. It is wholly on them,
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That's not true. The problem with cluster munitions isn't the way they kill the people they're targetting, it's the way the leave the area littered with explosives that then kill or maim civilians, potentially long after the fact. They have a particularly bad record for maiming and killing children. There's a reason over a hundred countries, the UK included, have banned their use and stockpiling by international treaty.
What a load of complete bull. There are far more people who were condemning Russia for its use of these weapons who have become silent now.
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"Russia shelled Lyman in Donetsk region today. At least 6 people died, 5 wounded - head of Donetsk regional military administration. "
I won't post the Tweet as the embedded pictures show what appears to be a child and their push bike blurred out.
If sending cluster ammo helps remove Russia then so be it. I believe the dud rate is less then 3% on the US supplied stock. And could be presumably be cleared after the event using the same tech used to clear mines?
I won't post the Tweet as the embedded pictures show what appears to be a child and their push bike blurred out.
If sending cluster ammo helps remove Russia then so be it. I believe the dud rate is less then 3% on the US supplied stock. And could be presumably be cleared after the event using the same tech used to clear mines?
Nah, that's a stupid take on it.
People are outraged at Russia for their whole incursion into Ukraine and everything that has occurred within it - including but not limited to, targetting and attacking of civilian areas, blowing up major infrastructure (the dam), torture and execution of civilians and military prisoners and yes cluster munitions.
Like I said, we as a Country have banned the use of cluster munitions, we did that whilst knowing they are an effective munition, so we obviously thought the cons outweigh the pro's. So a) it doesn't seem right to support their use and b) "The Russians did it first" is rather infantile.
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The pro russian faux outrage at this reminds me of all the other faux outrages that these loons love to crow about, like Farage’s bank account.
Quit the faux outrage and be honest for once.
Quit the faux outrage and be honest for once.
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I’m sure if another nation occupied parts of the UK and were raping and kidnapping our children we’d want to use anything at our disposal too, especially if the invaders were already using those weapons. That said, as in WW2 there will always be those who welcome the enemy through the gates.
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It's crazy to think that Ukraine are using more than the US production capacity, even with the cushion of the stockpiles of other nations having been sent already.
It goes to show the scale of what us happening.
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Yes I daresay we would be using cluster munitions if we had an invading force on the UK mainland.
The fact we've banned the use of them is probably because we see such an event as unlikely, what with the nukes we have.
The fact we've banned the use of them is probably because we see such an event as unlikely, what with the nukes we have.
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Its the same lot over and over.
You can correct your misthinking though mate, go and watch a few Russell Brand videos and you shall see the light!
The deployment of such a contentious weapon would suggest otherwise. Unfortunately this war will not be fought and won with Ukrainian bravery and resolve alone but rather more depend on the willingness of western backers to supply ever increasing amounts of weaponry. We all better hope for a 'Zerg' rush because sooner or later, western politicians and countries are going to loss interest, particulary if this drags out into a statemate.
Except they are ideal for neither. Troops in the open, light skinned vehicles, and area denial by creating minefields.
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People keep saying they'll lose interest, but hasn't happened yet.
I don't see them losing interest, this isn't a fight that Russia can be allowed to win.
The nations invested in this outcome going against Russia aren't tiktok influencers, they won't get bored after 5 minutes.
I don't see them losing interest, this isn't a fight that Russia can be allowed to win.
The nations invested in this outcome going against Russia aren't tiktok influencers, they won't get bored after 5 minutes.
I very much doubt that you or anyone else on this forum has the 'details'.Debateable
It would only suggest it if your not following the details.
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