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Problem is you'd have to be prepared for them to call our bluff. While if NATO 'agree' to admit Ukraine after the war it forces Russia to the negotiation table
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Probably more to do with Russia helping the Nazis then enslaving them after 'liberation'
Just a simple thought.
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How the hell does an idiot like this get elected to Congress? She likes to ignore the trillions in hardware that those NATO partners have bought from the US. I don't think she is on the Kremlin payroll as I don't think she has the brains to figure how to do it but she may as well be 
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How the hell does an idiot like this get elected to Congress? She likes to ignore the trillions in hardware that those NATO partners have bought from the US. I don't think she is on the Kremlin payroll as I don't think she has the brains to figure how to do it but she may as well be
We have our own who want out of international treaties because they don’t like the outcomes, but in our case looking to withdraw from the ECHR. Headbangers everywhere you look these days.
You’d have to be mental to threaten Russia with direct action. It would galvanise the majority of Russia and it’s satellite states to mobilise to a war footing. Not to mention the fact that NATO aggression plays into Putins hands by adding legitimacy to the nonsense that the US wanted to attack Russia all along.
This action would force the rest of the world to pick sides, the crazies would come out of the woodwork and history tells us what this leads to.
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Trouble is the conventional nuclear doctrine dictates that neither power gets directly involved in the fight. Not in Europe anyway. But one is already in the fight. in fact they started the fight. So to large extent the wheels are already in motion.
The idea that Eastern Europe are staying out of this if there isn’t divisive outcome in favour of Ukraine at some stage soon is a pipe dream. They aren’t going to sit back and wait for the inevitable if they can strike now when Russia is week.
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The trip wire strategy cannot be relied upon so Regardless of the war outcome, nato must place overwhelming deterrent forces on the border to protect Europe. The only question is whether that border is in the baltics and Poland or in eastern ukraine.
There is no good outcome here for Putin. If he loses he's dead, if he wins he does so by costing his country the equivalent of 20 to 30 years of military build up. Either way, whether russia loses in ukraine or not, they lose anyway because nato is going to station a million soldiers on the border.
There is no outcome in this war that results in Russia being better off, regardless of what putin will try to claim. Russia will end the war in a much weakened state and a much stronger nato
Not to mention Russia has already lost one of its sea access routes
There is no good outcome here for Putin. If he loses he's dead, if he wins he does so by costing his country the equivalent of 20 to 30 years of military build up. Either way, whether russia loses in ukraine or not, they lose anyway because nato is going to station a million soldiers on the border.
There is no outcome in this war that results in Russia being better off, regardless of what putin will try to claim. Russia will end the war in a much weakened state and a much stronger nato
Not to mention Russia has already lost one of its sea access routes
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It's worth noting that lancets weren't specifically designed to kill NATO tanks (similar to how NLAW/Javelin were specifically designed to be used against T-series tanks and Asian clones), granted they're probably **** but it's still worth noting as you can't really evaluate a tool when it's being used for the wrong job.
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We ordered 700-1000 back in 1996, France ordered 500 in 1998 and have added smaller numbers since.
Actual totals are unknown/classified. The only reason we heard about the 1996 deal was because the Tories wanted to shout about the British jobs they were safeguarding, presumably due to fear of a New Labour landslide in the following years general election, we'll have to check back and see how that goes for them.
Turkey already has F-16s, they're what they used to shoot down a Russian Su-24 inside Syria a few years back when that was big news.
If Trump (or similar) gets in again I would bet he would make it a reality.How the hell does an idiot like this get elected to Congress? She likes to ignore the trillions in hardware that those NATO partners have bought from the US. I don't think she is on the Kremlin payroll as I don't think she has the brains to figure how to do it but she may as well be
Also, if we are too passive in the face of atrocities it emboldens Putin to escalate. In my opinion people have got this the wrong way round, it's a paradox.
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Nazi Germany was weak once too, it's a pity we didn't act then. Hitler was mocked as a clown, an unserious individual who could be controlled and manipulated. As these dictators conquer countries and take resources they become stronger:
World War II: How Western Leaders Failed To Stop the Nazi Rise
World War II: A catastrophic failure of Western leadership enabled the Nazi menace to wreak havoc throughout Europe. What can we learn from the mistakes made by British and French decision-makers?
www.forbes.com
Early Warnings: How American Journalists Reported the Rise of Hitler
Andrew Nagorski, author of the new book Hitlerland, discusses the way Americans saw -- and wrote about -- the early days of the Third Reich.
www.theatlantic.com
Don’t you think the Russian population have to decide that for themselves? What if Putin is right and Ukraine is a ploy for the US to invade Russia?
Nazi Germany was weak once too, it's a pity we didn't act then. Hitler was mocked as a clown, an unserious individual who could be controlled and manipulated. As these dictators conquer countries and take resources they become stronger:
World War II: How Western Leaders Failed To Stop the Nazi Rise
World War II: A catastrophic failure of Western leadership enabled the Nazi menace to wreak havoc throughout Europe. What can we learn from the mistakes made by British and French decision-makers?
Early Warnings: How American Journalists Reported the Rise of Hitler
Andrew Nagorski, author of the new book Hitlerland, discusses the way Americans saw -- and wrote about -- the early days of the Third Reich.
A weak Germany was the reason the Nazi party stole power. However we are talking about Russia.
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