Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[alx]

I doubt Europe is really afraid of war/nukes, it's the oil and gas that they worry about.

Quote from the Telegraph:
"Mr Putin is reputed to have once said that Russia no longer needs nukes; oil and gas make a far better weapon. America’s energy revolution has made this less true than it was, but the point still has a great deal of force in Europe. Abundant natural resources provide Mr Putin’s Russia with all the cover it needs to go waltzing around in its own backyard, doing more or less whatever it pleases."

 

[dowie]

The Russian's regime change to restore a pro russian government in Ukraine will be no more legitimate than the regime change the USA and UK made in Iraq.

Russia objected to the USA invasion of Iraq, just as the USA now does of the Russian Invasion of Ukraine. Still won't stop both of these happening however.

They've invaded Crimea (mostly Russian) and might do something similar in other parts of the East... It doesn't mean they're going to attempt to invade the whole country/drive tanks into the capital... unless Ukraine does something silly in response.

More likely scenario is Crimea is annexed/votes to split from Ukraine at the end of the month... perhaps some other eastern territory too. The rest of Ukraine then, has an even larger % of the population in favour of closer ties with the EU/west.

 

[Fr0dders]

I honestly don't think crimea will be the end of putin's ambitions.

Ukraine will be next, or at least parts of it. Mark my words.

 

[Nitefly]

This whole thing made me eat my words - last week I was having a good old 'lololol' at the ridiculous speculation that Russia would take military action. How wrong was I!

 

[Stretch]

Out of interest what would you have them do? impose sanctions on the country that supplies 1/3 their gas because it's meddling with a country that isn't an EU member?

I'm not saying they should/shouldn't do anything just wondering what your thoughts are on it.

Look like they mean business.

The Russians have completely outflanked the EU, and NATO for that matter. Having a credible threat may have prevented this ever happening.

The energy issue needs solving too. Russia will be out of resources in 20 years time. The Russians apparent desire for expanding its influence is probably a direct consequence of it's long term resource depletion.

 

[Rroff]

Look like they mean business.

The Russians have completely outflanked the EU, and NATO for that matter. Having a credible threat may have prevented this ever happening.

The energy issue is smithing that needs solving too.

NATO as such doesn't have anything that compels them to come to Ukraine's aid however the nuclear disarmament treaty is somewhat complex and depending on the actions of an aggressor could force NATO's hands even when the threat isn't nuclear.

 

[Stretch]

NATO as such doesn't have anything that compels them to come to Ukraine's aid however the nuclear disarmament treaty is somewhat complex and depending on the actions of an aggressor could force NATO's hands even when the threat isn't nuclear.

Nope, but this clearly gets up their nose. It was only last week the US/UK etc were saying publicly, that the use of any Russian military force would be a grave mistake.

 

[dunker]

10, 9, 8, 7.... oooo the deadline that was'nt, or was it?....

 

[dunker]

was'nt.

 

[arknor]

putin was burn poor right? spent 15 years in the KGB
didn't exactly reach a high rank in that time.

went into government thanks to an old teacher.

somehow made a stupid amount of billions robbing his own country and being a corrupt son of a ***** just like Yanukovych robbed Ukraine ?

how come the Russian people haven't turned on him?

deadline was probably made up by the ukraine to try and get fast action from the west

 

[Gregster]

Let's just send billions in aid to the Ukraine.

 

[arknor]

Let's just send billions in aid to the Ukraine.

you know it's going to happen no matter how broke we are and no matter how much cuts the little people off this country get as the rich companies can make a lot of money out of our "bribes" which is all foreign aid really is.

ukraines own fault for having a silly low GDP spending on military

 

[Gregster]

you know it's going to happen no matter how broke we are and no matter how much cuts the little people off this country get as the rich companies can make a lot of money out of our "bribes" which is all foreign aid really is.

ukraines own fault for having a silly low GDP spending on military

For sure it will happen. It proper ****** me off when we can't afford to send money or to fund another war and yet the UK still thinks it is this massive power... Am I missing something?

 

[Mr Jack]

ukraines own fault for having a silly low GDP spending on military

Ukraine spends 2.7% of GDP on its military; that's higher than the UK, France and China. Hardly "silly low" is it? Ukraine's military is much weaker than Russia's more because its a smaller country than because it underspends on its military.

 

[Robbo]

We can support Ukraine to some extent but we won't be funding them.

They have no chance against a power like Russia and that's just because they're a much smaller country. They won't win any sort of conflict, so won't start one (by attacking Russian troops).

While it's far from ideal, the Russian military presence is just in Crimea at the moment, which isn't a typical part of Ukraine for various reasons. The military presence there will also stem any potential trouble that could have been brewing, like we saw in Kiev not long ago.

Now the entire situation needs to be resolved, which I'm sure it will be, but not through violence.

 

[gettothechopper]

excellent response by Ukraine - do nothing, then any attack by Russia looks very unprovoked and ultimately embarrassing

lol at RT this morning claiming "western media hysteria" about a harmless military exercise with 150,000 troops near the border of a country you have just taken by force - yeah cos that wont worry anyone will it - what idiots the western media are

Putin is a hypocrite, even writing in the American newspapers about not jumping to military action without international consensus, and then doing exactly that himself.

 

[arknor]

Ukraine spends 2.7% of GDP on its military; that's higher than the UK, France and China. Hardly "silly low" is it? Ukraine's military is much weaker than Russia's more because its a smaller country than because it underspends on its military.

37 Ukraine Ukraine 4,879,000,000 2.7% 2012


higher than UK , france and china in % of GDP perhaps

In actual funds they spent peanuts because they assumed any threat would come from inside their own borders

this blog /news website whatever it is, was well on the ball
http://ukrainianweek.com/Security/91854

Who Will Protect Us?
Squeezed between two power blocs, Ukraine will inevitably join one. It cannot afford its non-aligned status and the upcoming military reform will not help

 

[Zethor]

excellent response by Ukraine - do nothing, then any attack by Russia looks very unprovoked and ultimately embarrassing

lol at RT this morning claiming "western media hysteria" about a harmless military exercise with 150,000 troops near the border of a country you have just taken by force - yeah cos that wont worry anyone will it - what idiots the western media are

Putin is a hypocrite, even writing in the American newspapers about not jumping to military action without international consensus, and then doing exactly that himself.

Thanks for reminding me of that article. Some gems from it:

"We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement. "
"But force has proved ineffective and pointless."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=0

 

[Gregster]

We can support Ukraine to some extent but we won't be funding them.

They have no chance against a power like Russia and that's just because they're a much smaller country. They won't win any sort of conflict, so won't start one (by attacking Russian troops).

While it's far from ideal, the Russian military presence is just in Crimea at the moment, which isn't a typical part of Ukraine for various reasons. The military presence there will also stem any potential trouble that could have been brewing, like we saw in Kiev not long ago.

Now the entire situation needs to be resolved, which I'm sure it will be, but not through violence.

I hope you are right. I am going to Russia in May and hopefully it will be resolved around a table.

 

[ubersonic]

NATO as such doesn't have anything that compels them to come to Ukraine's aid

Apart from the treaty signed back when Ukraine was the worlds #3 superpower that said if they disarmed then NATO would show up to help if Russia ever invaded?

If the US press I have seen is true I believe the claim coming out of America is that it's invalid due to the being a comma in the wrong place or missing lol.

lol at RT this morning claiming "western media hysteria" about a harmless military exercise with 150,000 troops near the border of a country you have just taken by force - yeah cos that wont worry anyone will it - what idiots the western media are

To be fair, how many times have the US done large scale exercises near the North Korean border that were basically glorified invasion drills, and then US media plays it off as harmless when crazy old NK over reacts.

(I am not saying the RT article isn't lolworthy, just that you get the same level of rant from media here and in the states.