Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ubersonic said:
Apart from the treaty signed back when Ukraine was the worlds #3 superpower that said if they disarmed then NATO would show up to help if Russia ever invaded? :P

If the US press I have seen is true I believe the claim coming out of America is that it's invalid due to the being a comma in the wrong place or missing lol.
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Nope. The US and UK would intervene only in the event of a nuke attack on Ukraine.
 
Malevolence said:
I bet that mad ****, Kim Jung-un, is rubbing his hands with anticipation.
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The thing is, the West would very quickly agree that they were very angry with Kim Jong-Un and write him a letter telling him how angry they are. Some states might even act unilaterally.

Against Russia, nobody is prepared to stand up on their own and by the time NATO or the EU can agree a common position, the invasion will be history and Crimea will be Russian.

Being a ****ing large country with a ****ing large military and a ****ing large gas supply that the EU needs all help Russia. Not to mention the nukes and the UNSC permanent seat.
 
Zethor said:
Nope. The US and UK would intervene only in the event of a nuke attack on Ukraine.
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Yeah that's it, the translations made the wording ambiguous or something because of the comma issue so instead of meaning that NATO would respond to non-nuke with non-nuke and nuke with nuke it only means NATO will respond to nuke.

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Yeah, it says the UK/US/etc will help: "if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used." instead of "if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression, or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used."

Instead of meaning we would help if they were attacked, or threatened with nukes. It ended up meaning we would help if they were attacked or threatened with nukes.

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Jono8 said:
Have America forgotten that they did the exact same thing to Grenada 30 years ago?
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I wonder how many other people like me only get this thanks to the wolf of wall street :P
 
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I have no idea who to believe in this,

Neither the popular Western or Russian media have any credibility in this regard, one thing which does seem strange is the odd double standard regarding what constitutes a good reason for military intervention.
 
elmarko said:
I have no idea who to believe in this,

Neither the popular Western or Russian media have any credibility in this regard, one thing which does seem strange is the odd double standard regarding what constitutes a good reason for military intervention.
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Indeed. I am on the fence with this one. I don't know who to believe. They are all as bad as each other to be honest.
 
ubersonic said:
To be fair, how many times have the US done large scale exercises near the North Korean border that were basically glorified invasion drills, and then US media plays it off as harmless when crazy old NK over reacts.
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however the USA don't do this while simultaneously annexing (bloodlessly or not) sections of NK....
 
Looks like the Russian economy and financial markets are taking big hits. This is the point Putin needs to start backing down or make a determination to go the course. The sensible move is to back down, propose or agree to talks etc. But who knows.
 
Devlish said:
Looks like the Russian economy and financial markets are taking big hits. This is the point Putin needs to start backing down or make a determination to go the course. The sensible move is to back down, propose or agree to talks etc. But who knows.
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Nah, I want to buy a ROG monitor from Russia and would be better if they kept at it for a bit :D
 
gettothechopper said:
however the USA don't do this while simultaneously annexing (bloodlessly or not) sections of NK....
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True, however they have also invaded other countries "to protect American citizens during a time of turmoil" (Grenada in 1983, Panama in 1989, the Dominican Republic in 1965, and Haiti in 2003). So the USA has no right to criticise Russia which ever way you slice it.
 
ubersonic said:
True, however they have also invaded other countries "to protect American citizens during a time of turmoil" (Grenada in 1983, Panama in 1989, the Dominican Republic in 1965, and Haiti in 2003). So the USA has no right to criticise Russia which ever way you slice it.
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The cases above were to spread democracy. Or protect white people. Or something.

Actually, who are we kidding? Both USA and Russia are as bad as each other and the mewling, comparisons to Hitler (Reddit is pretty good for that right now) and the predictions of Poland being next are all a bit OTT.
 
simpletom said:
The cases above were to spread democracy. Or protect white people. Or something.

Actually, who are we kidding? Both USA and Russia are as bad as each other and the mewling, comparisons to Hitler (Reddit is pretty good for that right now) and the predictions of Poland being next are all a bit OTT.
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Russia will not invade Poland as that truly would be the start of World War 3.
 
To be honest, now Putin has called back the large number of troops on exercise at the border, I don't think they intend to invade/occupy mainland Ukraine.

I think their plan is very much to hold Crimea until that referendum on independence can take place and then Russia will just manipulate matters so a very Pro-Russian leader is put in place meaning they pretty much are part of Russia.
 
ubersonic said:
True, however they have also invaded other countries "to protect American citizens during a time of turmoil" (Grenada in 1983, Panama in 1989, the Dominican Republic in 1965, and Haiti in 2003). So the USA has no right to criticise Russia which ever way you slice it.
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I understand where you and others are coming from. The foreign policy of the US has lots of questionable aspects, they've made plenty of mistakes but you cannot compare it with Russia.

Can you name one Russian ally that has a good economy and people living under a democracy and enjoying basic freedoms? Yes, Americans created a mess in places such as Iraq, Afghanistan or Vietnam. But they also did tremoendous good in West Germany, South Korea and Japan.
More recently, the countries in the former Eastern Block that joined Nato/EU are also doing much better.
Amercans are not angels but you can't deny that their influence has been much more beneficial than that of Russia.

That's what it comes down to here. Ukraine has a future in the EU/Nato where as it remaining in Russia's sphere of influence is a dead end. If you were Ukrainians, who would you prefer as "buddies"? Belarus and Kazakhstan or France and the UK?
 
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