Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Uther said:
Does Ukraine not have enough gear to take the bridge out once and for all? They just seem to be pecking at it occasionally.
Or do they not want to destroy it?
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Ukraine used a Storm Shadow on a bridge that connected Crimea and Kherson and it left a sizeable hole which could be patched up relatively quickly. If your referring to the Kerch bridge it would likely take a number of successful strikes to render the that thing unusable (as seen from the Crimea-Kherson bridge and Antonivskyi bridge punching through reinforced concrete isn't easy).

There are better targets for Ukraine's long range missiles anyway, command posts, ammunition and fuel depots etc have all been priority targets during Ukraine's counter offensive and reading some of the reports coming through from the front it's paying dividends (multiple reports of Russian units literally running out ammo for everything from MLRS, artillery guns and rifles although some of that can probably also be chalked up to crappy Russian logistics).
 
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There was a video ages ago on why destroying the bridge wasn't necessarily in Ukraine's best interests. Giving the Russians in Crimea a way to retreat into Russia was sensible - both civilians and military - so they wouldn't just bed down and fight to the death with their backs against the wall. Pecking at it just creates nice levels of paranoia so that Russia has to spend resources and manpower protecting it is also good.
 
XPE said:
catch 22 maybe? They need certain weapons to hit the bridge but when they get those weapons other targets become higher priority than the bridge.
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I can easily see this being true. Weapons like Storm Shadow are in short supply and they likely have way more targets than weapons.

You would think they'd try and take the rail bridge out before the road bridge as that brings in the majority of military supplies.
 
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peterwalkley said:
There was a video ages ago on why destroying the bridge wasn't necessarily in Ukraine's best interests. Giving the Russians in Crimea a way to retreat into Russia was sensible - both civilians and military - so they wouldn't just bed down and fight to the death with their backs against the wall. Pecking at it just creates nice levels of paranoia so that Russia has to spend resources and manpower protecting it is also good.
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wouldnt it be better then to destroy the rail part?
 
Roar87 said:
Oh I think the Chinese government is some next level of Hell. I'm just not under some bizarre illusion that the US government is this benevolent power like apparently most people in here are, specifically since Russia invaded Ukraine. It's so strange how typically left wing people are now defending US imperialism across the globe, most of you would've slashed military spending only a couple of years ago given the chance and scrapped our nuclear weapons.
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There is a broad spectrum of lefties, not just socialist worker rebels without a clue.

I'm a lefty and don't support US imperialism, whatever that means. I also support the UK retaining a strong defensive capability, answerable to the UK parliament.

I also support ukraine's right to exist, full stop. I'm against armed invasion of sovereign states. I am for a population deciding its own representatives.

I don't really get your thinking here. I'm hoping that you have genuine good intentions, but really don't understand why you appear, consistently, to oppose ukraine's right to defend its own territory.

Could you set out your position: does ukraine have a right to defend itself, and does that mean it can accept assistance from other countries to do that?
 
Hades said:
Poor woman :( I also read somewhere that a young girl was badly injured and also lost both parents. I know these things happen in war and that the Ukrainians have suffered far more, but they are still just civilians trying to go about their lives :(
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You must be retarded if you think that your country has invaded another just over the border and you walk about your business like nothing is happening.
"We don't know all the truth." "We are just little people." all these excuses makes me sick.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Seen the video from the bridge and it looks like a women has gone halfway through the windscreen, is still alive and several people are just walking around the car videoing it/her rather than helping her. WTF.
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Mental there just standing there to me though that car looks like it gone into the back of another car or truck and it gone from the scene.
 
martynr said:
You must be retarded if you think that your country has invaded another just over the border and you walk about your business like nothing is happening.
"We don't know all the truth." "We are just little people." all these excuses makes me sick.
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So blame the civilians ? Seems a bit of a Russian attitude
 
Uther said:
Does Ukraine not have enough gear to take the bridge out once and for all? They just seem to be pecking at it occasionally.
Or do they not want to destroy it?
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It’s a tough one. If Ukraine push into Crimea leaving an escape route for civilians and later Russian forces is sensible. Though in regards to the later it could depending on the level of military prejudice and if you don’t want them coming back.

It’s possible to take out a large bridge with the cruise missiles Ukraine currently have, but it’s not what they are designed for. Taking down a bridge usually needs a couple of massive bombs but I think you need to get pretty close with those.
 
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Uther said:
Does Ukraine not have enough gear to take the bridge out once and for all? They just seem to be pecking at it occasionally.
Or do they not want to destroy it?
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I don't think they want onto trap the Russians there. It's a lot easier if the Russians just leave than have to deal with them and that includes civilians as Ukraine said it will deport Russian citizens in Crimea back to Russian
 
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Taking out the bridge periodically may actually be more annoying for Russia than if it's gone, they have to maintain defensive watch on this bridge which takes manpower and resources away that could be used elsewhere, and not like that bridge is something you can fix in a day, that also takes resources/manpower.
 
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