People at work today were talking odds on nuclear war quite gleefully - I found that a bit depressing...
... I didn't think we were that bad a place to work.
(In all seriousness was kind of disturbing how casually they were talking about it).
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People at work today were talking odds on nuclear war quite gleefully - I found that a bit depressing...
... I didn't think we were that bad a place to work.
(In all seriousness was kind of disturbing how casually they were talking about it).
Did you read my post? I said due to how world is today, each side believes they are the good guys and other is the bad guy.
Have a look at Ottawa protests where people are forcefully removed and their bank accounts are literally frozen. Now this stuff is shown 24/7 in China.
Remember how we all went against HK protests due to crackdowns by Chinese?
Each time, we provide these regimes more ammo.
They do not care that you do not believe them. All that matters, is that their own people believe them.
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Some people believe propaganda, to some degree.
Yes every side believes they are the good guy but some of them really are bad, China, Iran , Russia, they are all nuts.
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People cope with things in a lot of different ways but gallows humour is definitely among the more common.
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I joke about things like that too. There’s nothing you can do about it so there’s no point worrying and fretting.
Also, humour is an excellent pressure release valve
Also, humour is an excellent pressure release valve
If there is one thing that has become apparent, the pantomime that he is performing is not for the benefit of NATO/Ukraine, this is for consumption of the home audience. I guess there will be extremely gullible types in the west that will lap it all up though.
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Ukraine should just put their weapons down on the Eastern flank and invite the peacekeepers in to observe.
And then if there are any shells it will be clear who it is.
And then if there are any shells it will be clear who it is.
Yep. This is part of his 'Greater Russia' strategy, and goes down very well with the punters.
There are OSCE observers that record ceasefire violations and direction (where possible) but they do not point fingers at either Ukraine or separatists so you'd need to spend a good amount of time with a map going through their report to figure out where it came from.
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Interesting intervention from the Chinese Foreign Minister appearing (via video I think) at the Munich Security Conference; I thought we were under the impression China had given the green light:
Indeed, bit of a curve ball there, but like any war especially one like this it will impact China and the markets, something they probably do not want?
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China has more to lose than gain should they publicly support any invasion.
China and Russia arnt as close bedfellows as you may think, they align on somethings out of necessity/convenience, and as a way to combat the financial/political might of US/West. However China very much has its own priorities and agenda.
I would have expected no or slightly more neutral statement though.
I would have expected no or slightly more neutral statement though.
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That said; China probably need to look to be doing the "right thing"; and like Russia unless something comes out of the Premier's mouth (Putin/Xi) its not really worth the paper its written on; they're both effectively one man dictatorships at the top these days.
Could be that China say this now and then provide more support for Russia when their "false flag" operations kick in on the grounds of "stopping genocide, etc"
Could be that China say this now and then provide more support for Russia when their "false flag" operations kick in on the grounds of "stopping genocide, etc"
Airlines flying over Ukraine isn't exactly a sign things are safe, Malaysia Airlines decided to fly over the east while they were shooting down planes with Buks and we all know how that worked out for them
Cyprus were allowed to join the EU despite a Turkish military occupation of a large part of their country, things can always be worked out/agreed.
The bigger problem is that joining NATO is a multi year affair that require spending/military quotas, etc. NATO have previously accepted Ukraine (and Georgia) as prospects, the result was Georgia getting invaded and rekt by Russia before they could meet their targets for joining and Ukraine cancelling their membership application a couple of years later after electing an anti NATO/EU president.
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Sky saying that Ukrainian military are saying Russian Mercs and Spetznaz have arrived in Donetsk to carry out their provacations
Don't underestimate propaganda/nationalism. I.E most Americans who were already adults in 2003 still overwhelmingly support the illegal war in Iraq, even after the loss of troops and hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.
I'm sure if it does kick off most people in the Russian and Chinese spheres will blame NATO (as will all the "woke" Facebookers in the west).
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