Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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It is already too much, is it not?
It's outrageous, what has been done so far, the line was crossed way back sometime around Feb 2022.
I wonder how the US would react to a country arresting their president? I can't see it going well.
NATO allies should sign binding defence agreements with SA in secret, and then reveal them the moment SA arrests Putin. Although, tbh, I'm not sure how much of a threat Russia is to SA. They can't even mount an effective campaign on their doorstep, yet alone half way round the world. And, yes, yes, they can wave around their nuclear schlong, but who in Russia is really willing to do that for Putin when he's in jail half a world away?
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It's odd how often Russia's allies prove themselves meek cowards yet it's the West that are weak?
Should really give some folks pause for thought when their idolised 'macho' men fall over themselves trying to sniff Putin's musk, it's not endearing at all.
Would say Iran are making money hand over fist and will be getting access to all the toys they want now
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Such a shame what has happened in SA. I used to go there for work several times a year in the early 2000s and there was such optimism that the future could really be great for everyone. Instead its become **** for everyone
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Putin will never call SAs bluff. It's too risky personally.
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If your going to pals with a snake don't act surprised when you get bite.
Ipsos polling, first table is interesting.
71% say no to military support.
Only 48% favour weapons support.
It doesn't look like views on this thread are representative. Why do people here try to shame and call people names for having a different view? Its immature.
Also I don't post here to change peoples minds thats a waste of time - but only to share millions have different views and perspectives.
I think usa/uk have crossed the line by attacking crimea bridge by proxy.
A TIME article has it right on this crisis:
"The fact that nuclear war is likely to start via gradual escalation, perhaps combined by accident or miscalculation."
Us/uk attacking crimea by proxy increases this risk profile.
71% say no to military support.
Only 48% favour weapons support.
It doesn't look like views on this thread are representative. Why do people here try to shame and call people names for having a different view? Its immature.
Also I don't post here to change peoples minds thats a waste of time - but only to share millions have different views and perspectives.
I think usa/uk have crossed the line by attacking crimea bridge by proxy.
A TIME article has it right on this crisis:
"The fact that nuclear war is likely to start via gradual escalation, perhaps combined by accident or miscalculation."
Us/uk attacking crimea by proxy increases this risk profile.
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Your usual levels of inability to understand.
Just like you bring to Brexit threads.
71% say their military should not get involved militarily.
That means, seeing as some seem to struggle with English, they should not be involved IN COMBAT.
meanwhile the UK is overwhelmingly supporting of the support for Ukraine and its war effort:
One year on, how high is support for Ukraine in Britain? | YouGov
Support for Ukraine remains strong, but has dipped marginally since the summer
yougov.co.uk
Read my 3rd sentence.
And stop referring to brexit every single time the people had their referendum let it go - its completely off topic is it not?
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There is having different views and spouting an opinion that even the person who is saying them should know are wrong if they thought through what they were saying rather than just parroting an opinion someone else has given them.
Unfortunately I suspect public sentiment is drifting away from supply Ukraine, that doesn't mean those people right even if they have the numbers to influence outcomes and is very short sighted thinking. A lot of people seem to have gone into this with an "it'll be over by Christmas" mentality and now it is dragging on are only looking to their immediate circumstances.
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Well your second was wrong. Completely misinterpreted or lied about its meaning.
The 48% is support. Unforunately the data isn't there for no opinion from the tables I could see.
Based on their other questions it would have been support/no opinion/don't support.
Although I looked at the power point so maybe there was more data in the other stuff available.
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What would you propose as an alternative action to supporting the Ukrainians?
Appease Russia? Let the Russians rebuild and come back in a few years for the next chunk of Ukraine? A bit of Latvia maybe? Welcome Russia back economically to fund their next war effort?
Escalation takes many forms. Appeasing Russia to fuel their ambitions is probably more likely ro result in the nuclear war you fear so much.
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Remember this is the troll who wishes to see the genocide of Ukraine because they have racist elements within their society (but Russias all gravy) , while dear leader Putin just wants back what was his to begin with and nothing else apparently and the kind russian people are just supporting Ukraines liberation from the Nazis.
There is no point engaging, you can‘t reason with…well you know.
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Oh I know, I read his recent nonsense.
I just find it interesting we quite regularly get an anti-war viewpoint posted (usually strongly by a single user who disappears) but never any real suggestion of what their alternative approach would entail.
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I don't think theres much more that could be done. The supporting nations had the policy bang on, economic sanctions on Russian assets, ban of oil/gas imports and accept any Ukraine refugees who want out.
You could go further and sanction countries who continue to trade with Russia but there isn't enough support for that and the consequences for the majority of the poor taking the most of this burden today is too great. You're alright right? We can pay the x2 x3 energy prices and x2 x3 food inflation, what about the billions globally of poor on staple food diets who can't?
For me weapons support ok too but only for self defence. I only post now because I think Ukraine have just recently crossed that line and I don't think it will stop there.
More people can die later and we then stop or we just stop now and more people live.
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So basically you would do exactly what is being done? Which is a complete contradiction of what you previously posted.
What line have Ukraine crossed?
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