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[alec]

No... he's an idiot.

It's not complicated.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Simples.

I'm glad this last page discussion went beyond "Putin evil" and actually discusses long term objective processes and interests of all parties.

Why I wanted to revisit this question:
Is it really that simples? Can you even agree what year has this invasion happened at least?

 

[bingham67]

Disaffected Russians spying for UK, says MI6 head

Many are silently appalled to see Russian forces pulverising Ukrainian cities, Sir Richard Moore says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Do people think the Kremlin can be spied on?

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I'm glad this last page discussion went beyond "Putin evil" and actually discusses long term objective processes and interests of all parties.

Why I wanted to revisit this question:
Is it really that simples? Can you even agree what year has this invasion happened at least?

Long term objectives?

Putin GTFO
Ukraine can decide if they want NATO and or EU

Unless you don't agree that countries should be able to choose their own fate of course.

 

[Devilman]

I'm glad this last page discussion went beyond "Putin evil" and actually discusses long term objective processes and interests of all parties.

Why I wanted to revisit this question:
Is it really that simples? Can you even agree what year has this invasion happened at least?

Why does it even matter?

Whether it was back in 2014 or now, Russia invaded Ukraine, end of story.

ANY attempt to try to paint it another way, is just pathetic vatniks grasping at straws.

 

[Peter75]

Why I wanted to revisit this question:
Is it really that simples? Can you even agree what year has this invasion happened at least?

Some will say 2008, 2014 or 2022. Take your pick to fit your narrative.

 

[Sythe79]

The way I see it Putin didn't set out for an invasion of Europe but if Ukraine had simply folded with little more than a whimper from the West then Moldova would have been next, large "defensive" Russian troop build ups along the border with Poland, then he'd start nibbling at south eastern Europe, probably giving places which are somewhat Russian favourable like Hungary a "join us or die" ultimatum as they splinter off into something more like Belarus. Eventually turning to the likes of Poland and the Baltics closer to the end of the decade.

(We've seen the evidence of sabotage, espionage, etc. to support that eventuality in those countries so definitely something they've an interest in).

It's not a secret that Moscow views the break-up of the USSR as their land being stolen from them by the evil west and not free countries regaining their independence.

For all the talk of Poland as a military force the reality is that they are probably a decade away from being that, at least, and Russia knows that too.

This is probably the war they had hoped to fight IN Poland, just with a couple of million Ukrainian men for cannon fodder.

 

[alec]

Long term objectives?

objective as opposed to subjective
as in, something that is not a whim of an evil dictator

Some will say 2008, 2014 or 2022. Take your pick to fit your narrative.

somebody mentioned Holodomor above so the range could probably be extended
Just saying nothing is black and white, there are underlying economic and historical reasons for stuff happening

 

[Roar87]

I'm glad this last page discussion went beyond "Putin evil" and actually discusses long term objective processes and interests of all parties.

Why I wanted to revisit this question:
Is it really that simples? Can you even agree what year has this invasion happened at least?

The conflict started in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea due to a pro-EU Ukrainian led government being elected, there was a civil war in Eastern Ukraine, one side being backed by Russia and one side backed by the (EU/US/NATO backed) Ukrainian government. Thousands of dead people and 8 years later, Russia illegally invades Ukraine since they dislike the war close to their border involving a lot of Russian speaking people who are fighting the Ukrainian government backed government by the EU/NATO/US. Russia obviously backed the Ukrainian separatists during the civil war with their own soldiers, people on here deny Ukrainian separatists even exist, however both sides killed a lot of civilians which is bad. This didn't come out of no where though as some preamble to Russia invading the rest of Europe, something that would be impossible given their poor military performance. To me it's essentially a regional dispute between 2 countries still attempting to resolve differences following the break up of the USSR in 1991. Russia is wrong for illegally invading Ukraine, Ukraine is a sovereign country and it's territory should be respected. NATO, the EU, and the US could have seriously considered the stability of Europe and the possibility of a war with Russia when they formed greater ties to Ukraine because the Russians made this very clear. However Ukraine is a sovereign country, so you have to weigh up their right to choose their own destiny with Russia's perhaps legitimate or illegitimate security concerns.

 

[Peter75]

somebody mentioned Holodomor above so the range could probably be extended
Just saying nothing is black and white, there are underlying economic and historical reasons for stuff happening

Yeah, I know and you are right, it isn't all black and white but what can we realistically do right now? We can argue about the causes all day long but it wont affect the situation on the ground. We have to take the situation as it is and try make the best choices we can and I firmly believe we are doing both the pragmatic and morally right thing and that is arming Ukraine so it can defend itself.

 

[Harlequin]

objective as opposed to subjective
as in, something that is not a whim of an evil dictator

Its the noun not the adjective form of the word objective.

 

[Sankari]

Putin has found an elegant solution to his South Africa visit: he's sending a cabinet minister instead.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681622587841953793

 

[SpellowHouse]

Putin not leaving Russia, he will find an excuse - he's a coward who barely leaves his bunker, let alone the country.

So. Turns out you are right. Big surprise! The chicken clucks!

 

[Scougar]

Roar87: "Russia illegally invades Ukraine since they dislike the war close to their border involving a lot of Russian speaking people who are fighting the Ukrainian government backed government by the EU/NATO/US."

Good grief, you slurped down that propaganda like it was your first meal in a few weeks.

 

[Minstadave]

So. Turns out you are right. Big surprise! The chicken clucks!

Billy Big Balls is all talk, yet again.....

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

You guys are so mean

Putin drew a red line across his bunker door and said this one mattered.
Oh I cannot go to SA, red line!!!11!, so will send old horse head instead!

 

[alchal]

I'm glad this last page discussion went beyond "Putin evil" and actually discusses long term objective processes and interests of all parties.

Why I wanted to revisit this questions it really that simples? Can you even agree what year has this invasion happened at least?

No Putin is evil.

It's simple.

Jog on vatnik.

 

[alchal]

I see the grain deal is dead, only way Russia can act is by starving people

 

[Freddie1980]

I see the grain deal is dead, only way Russia can act is by starving people

And starve their own cheerleaders? Pretty sure that grain deal will be reinstated in the next couple of weeks.

 

[Firestar_3x]

I see the grain deal is dead, only way Russia can act is by starving people

Yep, and Putin responds by trying to destroy the Ukraine grain infrastructure

 

[Freddie1980]

Remind me to spit in the face of the next person who asks for money for the Red Cross

Red Cross of Belarus admits stealing children from Ukraine

The Belarusian Red Cross has confirmed that it is taking part in “exporting” Ukrainian children from the occupied territories to Belarus.

www.pravda.com.ua

Ukrainian FM calls on ICC to issue arrest warrant for head of Red Cross of Belarus

Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba has called on the International Criminal Court (ICC) to issue an arrest warrant for the head of the Red Cross of Belarus Dmitry Shevtsov, who publicly confessed to the crime of deporting children from the occupied territories of Ukraine.

en.interfax.com.ua