Does he really care?
Will the heads of those states moan about thier people starving to death whilst they eat lobster and take money from Putin... probably not I'd wager.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Will the heads of those states moan about thier people starving to death whilst they eat lobster and take money from Putin... probably not I'd wager.
Absolutely.
It isn't a differing opinion. It's an objectively ridiculous idea/solution.
That’s how I see it really, I cannot see Ukraine getting Crimea back. The Russians can blame it all on Putin and walk away. Whether it happens or not we shall see. Although I would really love Ukraine to get all their land back.
Not to mention the 298 people on the aircraft Russia, sorry, the heroic separatists fighting against the evil Ukranian government shot down.14,000 people died in Eastern Ukraine between 2014 and 2022, including thousands of Russian speaking civilians, killed by both the Ukrainian armed forces and Russian backed separatists. What propaganda do you think I've swallowed because this is simply easily verifiable facts reported in places such as The Guardian.
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I don't consider this to be legitimate grounds to illegally invade Ukraine, I'm simply stating this occurred and Russia gave it as a stated reason.
People die in warzones, however Russia started the war, Russia backed the "seperatists" and sent in both military equipment and personal, and Russia ultimately is responsible for ALL the deaths.
If Ukraine hadn't fought back they would have been a part of "greater Russia" by now, and being looted wholesale by Putin's buddies.
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Well, if they’re trying on the vessel’s flag state for defence, then in the vast majority of cases that’d be the fomidable navies of the likes of Panama, Liberia and the Marshall Islands being deployed to the Black Sea. Flags of convenience eh?
You are parroting what they want you to hear without actually engaging your brain. They gave an excuse, not a real reason.
Here's some helpful questions: What happens if Ukraine becomes Russia? Who's border's will they be up against? Will they also "dislike" having nato on their border? What do you think will happen with Moldova for example since they already assisted with the land grab there?
You literally admit that you actually believe what Russia is saying. Remember when they said they weren't invading, did you also believe that?
They want Crimea for the dominance over the black sea. It's territorially significant. They will likely want to keep that even if they lose the East (In my computer desk generals opinion).
Problem is the Black Sea and its access is controled by Turkey
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As far as I remember, if there are no agreements in place for protection, then operating in a war zone with civilian vessels means no active insurance for those companies.
I doubt anyone but Turkey is going to step up.
Not to mention 79% in UK think "Doing nothing in Ukraine will encourage Russia to take further military action elsewhere in Europe and Asia"
@pallys
Some food for thought, eh?
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Can we honestly trust a country like turkey for heavens sake to act in a morally sound manner? I hope you are right
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Ukraine war: Russia strikes Ukraine grain after ending sea deal
Attacks on Black Sea ports destroy 60,000 tonnes of grain and damage infrastructure, officials say.
www.bbc.co.uk
I'm simply sticking to the actual facts and you're trying to make this about what I believe.
Russia has no capacity to threaten any NATO member state, beyond their nuclear weapons they're completely out matched by us in every way.
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No, to be fair to Roar if you look at his posts at the start of this he was saying it was pretty obvious they were looking to invade with building that much of their army up on the border. In fact, reading his posts it's like a different person at times than the one posting nowadays!
Though there are some typical Roar doozies, like how Putin was only taking advantage because of all the "weak Western leaders" that wouldn't stand up to him and that Bidens response would be completely zero, with no aid to Ukraine, and their best chance would have been having Trump in charge as he would have helped Ukraine out...
Yeh. To be honest, going back territory wise to how it was before the start of the war is the best solution.
Ukraine won't tolerate the annexing of Donbas etc, and Russia will not tolerate handing Crimea back.
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