Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
Show me where he's said he wants all of Ukraine after September last year and I'll just say I'm wrong, I don't think he has and I don't think they're capable of capturing all of Ukraine, evidently. I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if that is the case, unlike most people in this thread.
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OK, finally at a computer now. So let's get something very clear here. What Russia has tried to illegally annex, they basically don't even hold. They don't even have fully have ANY of the Oblasts right now.

  • The one that is the closet is Luhansk, and what is going on there? They are beyond Lunhansk territory and currently making assaults in the North Eastern sector Kharkiv Oblast.
  • Donetsk, they have what... half of the Oblast and claim it as annexed? Kinda seems illegal and meaningless And just as I said, they continue to attack across all sectors. Because guess what, that's reality, they do not have that territory's.
  • Zaporizhzhia Oblast. Again, they don't all the Oblast, and they claimed to have annexed it.
  • Kherson Oblast. They do not have all of it, and they have claimed annex over it. This is the only real area they can't attack because they screwed themselves by withdrawing, so stand no chance of either having a true annex over the region, or moving forward in any real way.
  • Every other region under bombardment by Russia, Kyiv, Lviv, Odesa. They have also moved troops to the North. Whether that's real or not really isn't under debate here, but it's a lot of manpower, and they've attacked from there once already.
Let's look at what Putin does say: https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...st-so-far-failed-counteroffensive-2023-06-13/

This article is him talking about whether he should go for Kyiv again, and it's him posing the question.

I'll dig deeper if you really want, but let's just remind ourselves here. Russia is a liar. It always has been: https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/r...-attack-against-ukraine-deny-deflect-mislead/

In short, what you are claiming is utter nonsense, and if you are going to try and pander your entire point being on the Oblasts borders, you clearly didn't get the memo. And if you can't see that, see the point in bold.

Annex'd? Don't think so... : https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/...d-luhansk-has-undermined-its-claim-on-crimea/
 
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Just a follow up here. If anyone goes to the livemap here: https://liveuamap.com/en/time/26.07.2023

Look at the territory that was ACTUALLY taken. They went well beyond and into Kharkiv Oblast, Mykolaiv Oblast, Kyiv Oblast, Sumy Oblast, Cherniv Oblast. It never was about only taking the regions roar is claiming. It is only that it suits Russia's story right now. What you are trying to sell us roar, is a fable. I'm sorry you don't see that.
 
Roar87 said:
Russia isn't occupying Odessa though, they're attacking it because Ukraine attacked the bridge.
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Really? That's strange, my relatives felt they had no choice but to leave their home in Odesa because random missiles strikes were occurring in and around the city. A home they'd just started to rebuild after they'd relocated because they'd been forced out of their family home in Sevastopol by Russian troops. This was long before any attack on the Kerch bridge took place.

So what gives? Where are you getting your information from?
 
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Roar87 said:
Quoting your salary as proof of being intelligent said it all, you earn decent money because most people find what you do incredibly boring. I did accounting at A level, it wasn't hard, I'd just have rather killed myself than pursue it as a profession. You were demonstrably wrong in your initial post and stated as proof I was wrong that Russia was in fact in the areas they annexed lol
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Security is rather in depth - it's akin to N dimensional chess - and developing the structures on that around identification, detection, protection and recovery make it a massive undertaking. I would say you have many types of people in it - the roles vary in requirements - from emotionally intelligent, to in depth logical, to being able to function under extreme pressure effectively. So I find your analysis a little obtuse.
My wife does accounting/tax - apart from the pass the exam or be fired each year, it's a very stable way of life. Personally I see the work as being boring/volume pressure but they make up for it by any chance to party/socialise as it's seen as a necessity due to the flatness of the role. So I can appreciate your point in the accountancy career.

So the question is - what next?

Putin is busy attempting to rebuild his military, so is the European and US. His shock and awe attempt to recreate the panzer blitzkrieg tactic failed, and now faces a long term plan where Russia attempts to drain the population within the generations of Ukraine to support a repeat offensive in the next 5 years (thinking of the age of Putin - he will want to cement his claim to fame along side Leonid Brezhnev's tomb).
However Russia's tactic of throwing people removes the industrial and research heart.
China will only support for so long, it's providing stockpiled arms but has the ability to ramp up production of previous generation equipment that is not of use commercially but can be used in producing previous generation weapons (ie in the last 15-5 years) that still can do the job. Russia's trade of raw materials for this continues to drive for now but it needs outside trade to drive its faltering economy. That trade requirement is the Russian's Achilles heel in this.
 
NickK said:
Security is rather in depth - it's akin to N dimensional chess - and developing the structures on that around identification, detection, protection and recovery make it a massive undertaking. I would say you have many types of people in it - the roles vary in requirements - from emotionally intelligent, to in depth logical, to being able to function under extreme pressure effectively. So I find your analysis a little obtuse.
My wife does accounting/tax - apart from the pass the exam or be fired each year, it's a very stable way of life. Personally I see the work as being boring/volume pressure but they make up for it by any chance to party/socialise as it's seen as a necessity due to the flatness of the role. So I can appreciate your point in the accountancy career.

So the question is - what next?

Putin is busy attempting to rebuild his military, so is the European and US. His shock and awe attempt to recreate the panzer blitzkrieg tactic failed, and now faces a long term plan where Russia attempts to drain the population within the generations of Ukraine to support a repeat offensive in the next 5 years (thinking of the age of Putin - he will want to cement his claim to fame along side Leonid Brezhnev's tomb).
However Russia's tactic of throwing people removes the industrial and research heart.
China will only support for so long, it's providing stockpiled arms but has the ability to ramp up production of previous generation equipment that is not of use commercially but can be used in producing previous generation weapons (ie in the last 15-5 years) that still can do the job. Russia's trade of raw materials for this continues to drive for now but it needs outside trade to drive its faltering economy. That trade requirement is the Russian's Achilles heel in this.
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Who know. re China tbh.

I get the feeling they will back Russia for as long as it takes unless they go nuclear.

Could be wrong of course, but that's how it comes across to me, especially with the Taiwan situation and potentially trying to stretch US resources...
 
NickK said:
Security is rather in depth - it's akin to N dimensional chess - and developing the structures on that around identification, detection, protection and recovery make it a massive undertaking. I would say you have many types of people in it - the roles vary in requirements - from emotionally intelligent, to in depth logical, to being able to function under extreme pressure effectively. So I find your analysis a little obtuse.
My wife does accounting/tax - apart from the pass the exam or be fired each year, it's a very stable way of life. Personally I see the work as being boring/volume pressure but they make up for it by any chance to party/socialise as it's seen as a necessity due to the flatness of the role. So I can appreciate your point in the accountancy career.

So the question is - what next?

Putin is busy attempting to rebuild his military, so is the European and US. His shock and awe attempt to recreate the panzer blitzkrieg tactic failed, and now faces a long term plan where Russia attempts to drain the population within the generations of Ukraine to support a repeat offensive in the next 5 years (thinking of the age of Putin - he will want to cement his claim to fame along side Leonid Brezhnev's tomb).
However Russia's tactic of throwing people removes the industrial and research heart.
China will only support for so long, it's providing stockpiled arms but has the ability to ramp up production of previous generation equipment that is not of use commercially but can be used in producing previous generation weapons (ie in the last 15-5 years) that still can do the job. Russia's trade of raw materials for this continues to drive for now but it needs outside trade to drive its faltering economy. That trade requirement is the Russian's Achilles heel in this.
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When you talk about boring work bear in mind that the accountancy direction your wife went in is the most boring way to go about it.
Work in business or go for one of the more specialised roles, forensic accounting (I quite fancy this now) or systems accountant (basically IT and accounting expert sitting between finance and IT in large organisations) which I did for 6 years, that type of thing. Couldn't do it now, let the IT skills drop.

Yes its a stable well paid career. But also bear in mind, this is the person who plans in a call centre unless hes changed roles. Its not like hes got some uber job.
I mean Roar explained what he did to me in planning and I let our global head planner know maybe we were not casting our net wide enough when trying to recruit experienced planners, which is hard, he just laughed, "not really planning then" was his response :p
 
Malevolence said:
Really? That's strange, my relatives felt they had no choice but to leave their home in Odesa because random missiles strikes were occurring in and around the city. A home they'd just started to rebuild after they'd relocated because they'd been forced out of their family home in Sevastopol by Russian troops. This was long before any attack on the Kerch bridge took place.

So what gives? Where are you getting your information from?
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I fact checked this on RT.com and Roar has been 100% correct this whole time.
 
Last few weeks quite a few videos have appeared of small Ukrainian FPV drones carrying small munitions like mortars, rpg heads shells etc and flying the drone into the engine bay at the rear of the T-90 which disables the tank and damages the engine

So Russia is now covering the engine bay and rear in ERA

If that's unsuccessful they will also build cope cages over the engine
 
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Grim5 said:
Last few weeks quite a few videos have appeared of small Ukrainian FPV drones carrying small munitions like mortars, rpg heads shells etc and flying the drone into the engine bay at the rear of the T-90 which disables the tank and damages the engine

So Russia is now covering the engine bay and rear in ERA

If that's unsuccessful they will also build cope cages over the engine
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That becomes difficult in terms of turret traverse. The defence makes the tank less effective but may increase longevity which signals russia can’t continue loosing tanks at that rate..

Next the tanks will have grills welded over the open hatches that prove such an easy target. The tank crews keep them open for ventilation, visibility and speed of evacuation.
 
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Harlequin said:

Estimated 51 T90M produced since start of war and the Russians are now fitting ERA to the rear of the tanks (slow reverse speed so have to turn around)
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The simple answer to that is to drop packs of grenades on, the detonation sets off the ERA and another drone can take out the tank. Total cost is still a couple of thousands to take out a multi million pound tank.
Also after the first hit, the tank crew psychologically are probably going to be in retreat/flight/evac mindset due to the stress.
 
Grim5 said:
Last few weeks quite a few videos have appeared of small Ukrainian FPV drones carrying small munitions like mortars, rpg heads shells etc and flying the drone into the engine bay at the rear of the T-90 which disables the tank and damages the engine

So Russia is now covering the engine bay and rear in ERA

If that's unsuccessful they will also build cope cages over the engine
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“Sarge, the stupid tank keeps breaking down after we covered the ventilation for the engine bay, can’t think why…”
 
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