Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Stumble Bum said:
Russia has gone full propaganda mode. The news site I read for a laugh is claiming all naval drones were destroyed and that there was no damage or casualties. They usually twist everything but to outright deny it is pretty desperate from them given the images that have surfaced.
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Russians and Chinese all do the same thing


First you deny that anything happened to your ship, you destroyed all Ukrainian weapons

Then when someone leaks footage of something happening you claim it's not as bad as it looks, your ship is in perfectly working condition

Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sinking then you say it's a simple maintenance issue, it's being towed all is fine

Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sunk and obituaries for 50 dead sailors, you say it's fake nato propaganda and your ship is still port, it never even left its in dry rock because it's there for routine maintenance behind closed doors so no one can see it, so there is no way it could be sunk
 
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Grim5 said:
Russians and Chinese all do the same thing


First you deny that anything happened to your ship, you destroyed all Ukrainian weapons

Then when someone leaks footage of something happening you claim it's not as bad as it looks, your ship is in perfectly working condition

Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sinking then you say it's a simple maintenance issue, it's being towed all is fine

Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sunk and obituaries for 50 dead sailors, you say it's fake nato propaganda and your ship is still port, it never even left its in dry rock because it's there for routine maintenance behind closed doors so no one can see it, so there is no way it could be sunk
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Well the site I read does usually report when something fairly major happens but just down plays it and tries to put the most positive spin on it they can.

Today they've just outright denied it so far which is unusual.
 
Grim5 said:
Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sunk and obituaries for 50 dead sailors, you say it's fake nato propaganda and your ship is still port, it never even left its in dry rock because it's there for routine maintenance behind closed doors so no one can see it, so there is no way it could be sunk
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Or we decided to create a new artificial reef, and pre stock it with fish food!
 
Washout said:
One thing I’ve noticed from lancet hits is every single time there’s another drone filming from high above. Never seen one where it’s just the lancet pov.
Anyone know if it has to work in a pair with the drone above guiding, relaying instructions to it?
If so a little surprised at their effectiveness given need two drones in the area for it to work.
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Lancet homes in on a target scouted and highlighted by the overwatch drone (typically Orlan). Would be quite hopeless to detect a hidden target from afar using just its own onboard camera.
Don't think the guidance signal is relayed from the other drone, just the destination.
Since Lancet is used by MOD units there is also a requirement for kill confirmation footage. Which is usually not the case for other diy FPV drones.
 
Washout said:
One thing I’ve noticed from lancet hits is every single time there’s another drone filming from high above. Never seen one where it’s just the lancet pov.
Anyone know if it has to work in a pair with the drone above guiding, relaying instructions to it?
If so a little surprised at their effectiveness given need two drones in the area for it to work.
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They use drones to scout for targets then launch the lancet
 
Grim5 said:
Russians and Chinese all do the same thing


First you deny that anything happened to your ship, you destroyed all Ukrainian weapons

Then when someone leaks footage of something happening you claim it's not as bad as it looks, your ship is in perfectly working condition

Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sinking then you say it's a simple maintenance issue, it's being towed all is fine

Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sunk and obituaries for 50 dead sailors, you say it's fake nato propaganda and your ship is still port, it never even left its in dry rock because it's there for routine maintenance behind closed doors so no one can see it, so there is no way it could be sunk
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They also scrubbed all pennant numbers....
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Indeed

I saw something the other day which said top two most effective and surprising weapons on the war so far
Russian Lancet and Ukrainian boat drones
Hard to disagree with either
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Surely the best single weapon system would be the M270 and HIMARS systems given how much damage they've down to the Russian army and it's logistics? The Ukrainian drone boats are a nuisance for the black sea fleet but can't stop them from firing missiles, so far their biggest impact was taking out part of the Kerch bridge (but didn't touch the rail the line which is used for sending supplies). Lancets are good and have probably been Russia's best new weapon but their impact is way overstated, their slow, lack manoeuvrability, can be shot down with infantry rifles and the warhead lacks impact (one hit a Panzerhaubitze 2000 causing it only minor damage).
 
Freddie1980 said:
Surely the best single weapon system would be the M270 and HIMARS systems given how much damage they've down to the Russian army and it's logistics? The Ukrainian drone boats are a nuisance for the black sea fleet but can't stop them from firing missiles, so far their biggest impact was taking out part of the Kerch bridge (but didn't touch the rail the line which is used for sending supplies). Lancets are good and have probably been Russia's best new weapon but their impact is way overstated, their slow, lack manoeuvrability, can be shot down with infantry rifles and the warhead lacks impact (one hit a Panzerhaubitze 2000 causing it only minor damage).
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You missed the surprising bit

The effectiveness of HIMARS etc was well known and predicted
 
This video from the Sun is pretty interesting and shows how war drives innovation. There's one guy walking around on this strange looking pods he's attached to his boots, the idea behind them is by raising their feet of the ground it gives the sappers protection from anti personal mines and lowers injury rates. All made using 3D printers.

 
Grim5 said:
Russians and Chinese all do the same thing


First you deny that anything happened to your ship, you destroyed all Ukrainian weapons

Then when someone leaks footage of something happening you claim it's not as bad as it looks, your ship is in perfectly working condition

Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sinking then you say it's a simple maintenance issue, it's being towed all is fine

Then when someone leaks footage of your ship sunk and obituaries for 50 dead sailors, you say it's fake nato propaganda and your ship is still port, it never even left its in dry rock because it's there for routine maintenance behind closed doors so no one can see it, so there is no way it could be sunk
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That's something people in the West find it hard to get our head around - actual reality (truth) doesn't matter to them, it's what they WANT it to be for political purposes. I guess we've just entered this phase post 2016 - alternative facts, experts don't matter, Trump lies, Brexit etc.

It debases to the point of entering new territory that you almost don't know how to approach it - you provide absolute, unequivocal evidence what's been said is wrong but they simply hand wave it away. For China, Russia Gov this is totally normal, no matter how big the lie.

I know it's off topic but the genocide going on in Xinjiang province, the sheer volume of leaked Gov data (the logistics of what they've done is huge) that's been analysed leaves zero doubt. The "it's all fake, anti-Chinese propaganda" from CCP officials is nothing short of complete detachment from reality, it's just weird for most every day folks in the West to hear complete 100% denials like this.
 
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Stumble Bum said:
Russia has gone full propaganda mode. The news site I read for a laugh is claiming all naval drones were destroyed and that there was no damage or casualties. They usually twist everything but to outright deny it is pretty desperate from them given the images that have surfaced.
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They are mad, its not as if its their footage they can suppress. its Ukrainian so the whole world id going to see it.
 
Grim5 said:
Russians and Chinese all do the same thing


First you deny...
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I would like to see a single military in the world that would announce to everyone how successful their enemy hit was and how much damage they inflicted.
If you control the media enough, your population might never see anything that proves otherwise or dismiss it as info warfare.

Have you seen a single damage report where a russian cruise missile actually hit an important target (say Kinzhal pre-Patriot deployement)? Nope, it is always civilian and humanitarian damage being reported.
 
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alec said:
I would like to see a single military in the world that would announce to everyone how successful their enemy hit was and how much damage they inflicted.
If you control the media enough, your population might never see anything that proves otherwise or dismiss it as info warfare.

Have you seen a single damage report where a russian cruise missile actually hit an important target (say Kinzhal pre-Patriot deployement)? Nope, it is always civilian and humanitarian damage being reported.
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If there are videos and photos everywhere of something being hit then no, most countries would not then try and pretend it never happened.
 
alec said:
I would like to see a single military in the world that would announce to everyone how successful their enemy hit was and how much damage they inflicted.
If you control the media enough, your population might never see anything that proves otherwise or dismiss it as info warfare.

Have you seen a single damage report where a russian cruise missile actually hit an important target (say Kinzhal pre-Patriot deployement)? Nope, it is always civilian and humanitarian damage being reported.
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Ukrainian losses do seem well reported. The Russians on the other hand take propaganda and deliberate mis reporting even within its own command chain to another level.
 
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