Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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The two most well known are the 60's era American ASROC (6nm range) and the Russian RPK-2 Vyuga (20+nm range) both of which are still in service, although there are many others too.

The Sea King and Merlin can both carry light to heavy air dropped torpedoes
 
Whilst I support Ukraines use of these in the Black Sea, the US and UK navy must be absolutely spinning themselves over the future of naval warfare. How do you protect an aircraft carrier from something as small as these things?

Ukraine might be the first with these drones, but they wont be the last.
I used to live in H.K, and our boat took a look around the Carl Vinson which was moored there at the time, and they have Gatling's everywhere, nothing would get close in. The signs say 500m, I imagine it is way beyond that.
 
I used to live in H.K, and our boat took a look around the Carl Vinson which was moored there at the time, and they have Gatling's everywhere, nothing would get close in. The signs say 500m, I imagine it is way beyond that.

Ultimately comes down to how well commanded and competently operated the vessel is - the close in weapons on these boats can have effective ranges 3-5km with very high probability of a kill on an incoming threat by 500m.
 
I must admit though a homemade sea drone worth around 3k taking out a 750 hundred million pound Russian ship is extremely good value for money
The ukraine sea drones are meant to cost around $250,000 each not 3k

Dated November 11, 2022

On Friday, President Volodymyr Zelensky lent support to the “United24” online campaign to solicit donations to build 100 of the naval drones that cost about $250,000 apiece.

 
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The batteries alone required to power the thing cost more than $3k and all of these drones are custom hand built solutions which vastly increases the cost
 
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One thing that is really disheartening to me is lack of fire power volume.

Ukraine keeps finding new and innovative ways to attack Russian equipment but they lack the ability to force the issue and push home the advantage.

For example attacking a the Crimea bridge by road worked ok, but it would have been even better if there were 10 truck bombs instead of just one. The feat can no longer be easily repeated because all vehicles now get inspected. Hitting the bridge with a sea drone was great but they only hit it with one causing mild damage and now the area has had an anti drone net installed and spikes so any future drones will need to swim underneath. They hit the IQ building in Moscow with one drone, caused mild damage, why not 20 drones at once. They got Russian ships in that Russian port, why not more, now the ships have moved away.


Overall it looks like Ukraine is now just fighting a guerrilla war with no ability to do anything other than trying to drag the war out in the hope the Russians decide to cut their loss and quit


The whole F16 thing is also unlikely to make too much difference because they are not going to receive F16's in the quantity needed nor do they have the quantity of pilots needed in order to be able to generate a serious air threat for Russian ground forces
 
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Overall it looks like Ukraine is now just fighting a guerrilla war with no ability to do anything other than trying to drag the war out in the hope the Russians decide to cut their loss and quit


The whole F16 thing is also unlikely to make too much difference because they are not going to receive F16's in the quantity needed nor do they have the quantity of pilots needed in order to be able to generate a serious air threat for Russian ground forces

Yes, we're making progress.
 
If the war grinds to a stalemate and we're still along similar lines when 2024 rolls in, you do wonder if the West might just blink first.

It's easy for politicians to say their support is unwavering, but it's just as easy for that support to dry up in practice. We were committed to helping the Afghans, until we weren't.
 
Depends if Trump gets re-elected next year - hence the reason Putin is taking it slow. Winter is approaching so not much will happen for 6 months
 
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If the war grinds to a stalemate and we're still along similar lines when 2024 rolls in, you do wonder if the West might just blink first.

It's easy for politicians to say their support is unwavering, but it's just as easy for that support to dry up in practice. We were committed to helping the Afghans, until we weren't.

For their to be real progress we need to do more than dusting off old inventory, etc. sure there are constraints when it comes to training, logistics and maintenance, etc. but for Ukraine to make progress countries need to spin up production at war time pace of vehicles and ammo, etc. so as to nullify Russia's advantages with more sophisticated approaches such as modern self-propelled artillery, etc.
 
The west has been too short sighted even with their minimal approach they don't learn, this war has shown a lot of deficiencies with producing munitions and equipment, yet nothing has changed, still drip feeding Ukraine because it's the best they can do with too much reliance on the US
 
Medvedev with another great statement today after some day drinking: "We do not need negotiations, not until Zelensky comes to us on his knees begging for mercy"
 
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Depends if Trump gets re-elected next year - hence the reason Putin is taking it slow. Winter is approaching so not much will happen for 6 months

God help Ukraine if he does. In fact, God helps the entire world, the man is an utter maniac. For some reason, the Trump voters can't see that. How things have changed. Not so long ago, Trump would have been called a commie sympathiser and quietly disappeared.
 
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