Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Homer19 Combat Sent out of Crete though looks like it is heading into the Middle East - probably to take a sniff at the Russian exercises going on in Syria.

2 Posidons out from Sicily interestingly - one heading off somewhere the other doing racetracks.

SPAR17 C-40C Andrews Air Force Base to Lithuania - not sure who that is IIRC the defence secretary visit was Saturday.

US Department of State plane out of Iraq with a tanker - wonder who that is as well.

Gypo said:
I saw the column of T80-U tanks in Belgorod, be interesting to see how they fare given their age.
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Depends if they are stock just refurbished back into service and/or old stock which was never retired or from the group which have been upgraded recently (apparently there is yet another upgrade program for them just started as well but not sure if there is any which have come out of that yet).

They did a bunch relatively recently with new modern optics, tweaked the ERA, tweaked the engine, improved the turret armour, new ATGM implementation, though not sure what the status is with the laser jammers - rumours are they'd decided to abandon them on the latest incarnation but the supposed pictures of the model has them still in place.

steve45 said:
As far as I'm aware the type that we have dont have that capability (Type 45's have Aster 30 Block 0), however we are looking at procuring the better versions with much improved range and anti ballistic missile capability (Aster 30 Block 1NT), and from what I've been able to find thats about 5 years off at least.
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The fire control systems, especially the updated software which is currently being trialled on HMS Dragon and the frigate HMS Lancaster, can do it - the weakness is the missiles which don't have a comprehensive performance ability for the job - though can do it in select circumstances.

We need updated Asters for Type 45s to do an all around ballistic missile defence but that front seems to have gone quiet for some reason.

On the other hand they can defend quite handily against a range of missiles if the target is the Type 45 itself or nearby ships.

Shooting down ICBMs is a bit of a mugs game though - if things have escalated that far you'll just never stop them all coming through and things have gone very badly wrong.

The latest software by all reports is pretty impressive - able to compute firing/intercept solutions on plunging missiles up to Mach 16.
 
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Minusorange said:
Seems nobody but Putin knows what is happening, he may have agreed but he also said last week his troops were going back to base
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I think you misunderstand negotiations. Nothing will change from Putin's invasion until he gets what he wants. The west are still saying that he will invade but are being frank that negotiations are being put in place. If the diplomatic option fails (and it can) then there is no change to the invasion. Note the military on all sides are still building the stances as the invasion plays out. The diplomacy is likely to continue even with invasion and publicly the embassy being kicked out of the country.
 
Ayahuasca said:
All aboard the merry-go-round.
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Diplomatic speak deciphered:
WEST: Behave yourself
PUTIN: I WANT THE TOYS AND THE OTHERS NOT TO HAVE TOYS
WEST: Think of all great gas dollars you're getting
PUTIN: I WANT MY TOYS.
WEST: Look- calm yourself, we can help look at ways to solve the problems that the others don't like you.
PUTIN: But.. you're not listening. I WANT MY TOYS AND OTHERS NOT TO HAVE TOYS. Have you met my big mate China?
WEST - Marcon: There there, we can work out some good gas dollars that may help as we, the EU, also want our own toys and play with them so we empathise about the bully US/NATO. PS. Germany says we still love your gas.
WEST - US: Stop it or I'll take away all your toy rights.
PUTIN: I'M TAKING THIS TOY IF THE OTHERS HAVE TOYS AND I DON'T.
WEST - Macron: Let me see if we can all share our toys, perhaps in a 6 month rotation? What do you think?
PUTIN: *throws someone else's TOY*
PUTIN- Foreign minister: *shrugs* we can talk but all I hear are words. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PUTIN: GOING TO TAKE OTHERS TOYS. F. U.

I think that pretty much sums up the chain of events.
 
NickK said:
Diplomatic speak deciphered:
WEST: Behave yourself
PUTIN: I WANT THE TOYS AND THE OTHERS NOT TO HAVE TOYS
WEST: Think of all great gas dollars you're getting
PUTIN: I WANT MY TOYS.
WEST: Look- calm yourself, we can help look at ways to solve the problems that the others don't like you.
PUTIN: But.. you're not listening. I WANT MY TOYS AND OTHERS NOT TO HAVE TOYS. Have you met my big mate China?
WEST - Marcon: There there, we can work out some good gas dollars that may help as we, the EU, also want our own toys and play with them so we empathise about the bully US/NATO. PS. Germany says we still love your gas.
WEST - US: Stop it or I'll take away all your toy rights.
PUTIN: I'M TAKING THIS TOY IF THE OTHERS HAVE TOYS AND I DON'T.
WEST - Macron: Let me see if we can all share our toys, perhaps in a 6 month rotation? What do you think?
PUTIN: *throws someone else's TOY*
PUTIN- Foreign minister: *shrugs* we can talk but all I hear are words. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PUTIN: GOING TO TAKE OTHERS TOYS. F. U.

I think that pretty much sums up the chain of events.
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This is some top quality posting, bravo sir :D
 
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