Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Ukraine being dictated to and Russia on Ukrainian soil.
Soldato
Zelensky not agreeing to peace deal until Crimea been taken back there no peace deal and I dont blame him sadly more deaths but cant give up now for all that been sacrificed.
Well lets see what they have to say:
- "Russia's top diplomat suggested the country is ready to consider peace negotiations with Ukraine should Kyiv meet its key condition."
- "Sergey Lavrov over the weekend gave the first major indication that Moscow is prepared to end the war after 19 months."
- "He noted the Kremlin would recognize Ukraine's borders before the invasion if President Volodymyr Zelensky and his Government backtracked on plans to join NATO or any other military alliance."
Sergey Lavrov is a pretty reliable guy with decades of experience in negotiating treaties/agreements, in fact, back in the 1990's when he was the representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations he personally signed the Budapest Memorandum on behalf of the Russian Federation, agreeing for all time that Russian Federation would "respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine" and "refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations".
I think this guys credibility speaks for itself here.
Soldato
Your joking wouldnt trust these snakes, Russia proven through this war they say one thing and do the other.
They are.
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Well, if Russia are offering to withdraw and respect the initial borders, why do you need to trust them? What are they going to do that's worse than what they're currently doing? Isn't the goal of the war for Russia to withdraw and respect Ukraines borders?
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Caporegime
Which borders? This is the second time they've pinched bits of Ukraine. They also want to keep them out of NATO leaving the door open for attempt no.3.
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Depends what the terms are - if Russia wants terms which would weaken Ukraine's ability to defend themselves down the line that relies on a level of trust Russia has completely destroyed.
Soldato
Because they will rebuild and go again they are blocking Ukraine from joining an alliance.
Ukraine dont want risk of another war nobody wants this again.
Associate
I thought Russia were winning. Why would they be agreeing to a deal that sees them withdraw if that was really the case?
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Soldato
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Because they're time-wasting and trying to appear reasonable, when they're not.
It's a diplomatic stunt.
Well, if you Googled like I did, it's the original borders.
Some of you seem to be worried that a war might break out if we end the current war. Apparently the risk of a war is worse than actual war. Russia doesn't desire a state of perpetual conflict I imagine, they're not the Americans.
Yeah most likely explanation is they are trying to get Ukraine to ease off a bit by dangling the carrot of hope, which is telling itself as to the situation Russia finds itself facing.
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If I was a cynical man, which I am, I'd guess it will precede an attempt to drive a wedge between Ukraine and its supporters by holding out an offer to negotiate and to portray Ukraine as unreasonable.
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Bingo
Commissario
I've heard of that happening before.
IIRC an American passenger jet had an engine failure and ended up landing on the levee next to a lake when the pilot realised they couldn't make it to the airport they had been aiming for, and that the levee was wide enough/long enough/flat enough that it was safer than his original "final" option (the canal) as water landings tend to be worst than grass ones. I think from memory that decision was made about a minute from the ground when they could see it clearly enough.
From memory once it was down they inspected it thoroughly to make sure the undercarriage etc were ok, replaced the engine, and managed to get it onto a road they used for a take off with just enough fuel to reach the nearest proper airport (basically something like 45 minutes of fuel, so massively underweight).
Once it reached the airport it underwent a very thorough service etc and was back in the air within a few weeks/months.
The big problem I can see for the Russians is that they probably don't have the spares and manuals needed to do the level of repairs that are likely to be needed without the assistance of the aircraft manufacturer, but I guess they can at least more easily strip it at an airport to provide parts for their other aircraft, and they're probably going to need to do something to flatten the ground rather more than just let it freeze.
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Expecting Musk tweet saying Ukraine would be unreasonable in 3.. 2..
The Ukrainians tabled a peace deal three days ago. It was rejected out of hand by Russia.
Russia is under pressure from many directions. Every day the liberated areas of Ukraine are uncovering Russian war crimes. Putin is facing an economic disaster, losing influence and control of his hostage states and his military is getting demolished.
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